Coronavirus in Massachusetts (New Bedford, Oxford, Bedford: lawyer, home, gated)

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

I would not be proud of that fact. It shows a lot of disdain for your fellow citizens.

Nope, it shows that you value interactions with your neighbors enough that you'll stay a step ahead of the arbitrary protocols, which will eventually be undone, albeit -- as with everything determined by bureaucracy -- several months behind the pace set by the bolder individuals among us, who take risks and bring back experiences and knowledge that benefit people in our community.

Of course, if you don't care about real human interaction, you'll find every excuse to keep the protocols in place. But that's not us here in Ohio.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Nope, it shows that you value interactions with your neighbors enough that you'll stay a step ahead of the arbitrary protocols, which will eventually be undone, albeit -- as with everything determined by bureaucracy -- several months behind the pace set by the bolder individuals among us, who take risks and bring back experiences and knowledge that benefit people in our community.

Of course, if you don't care about real human interaction, you'll find every excuse to keep the protocols in place. But that's not us here in Ohio.

Hard to tell whether you're this willfully ignorant, 13 months into the pandemic. These protocols that you're calling "arbitrary" have worked extremely well in populated countries such as Korea, Japan, Taiwan, ANZ, Vietnam. What we did in this country was totally half-baked, not uniformly enforced, and cannot be used as a measure of efficacy.

"Bolder" individuals? Be honest and call yourselves superspreaders, and the main reason we won't be rid of this pandemic for months to come.

[Lampert]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

You forgot +57% coronavirus deaths per capita...

MA has an excess mortality of 18%, Ohio an excess mortality of 19%.
Also MA suffered most in the first wave, when everyone was unprepared, The situation has been under control better than most other states since.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...eath-toll.html

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by Lampert

MA has an excess mortality of 18%, Ohio an excess mortality of 19%.
Also MA suffered most in the first wave, when everyone was unprepared, The situation has been under control better than most other states since.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...eath-toll.html

I tried to explain this very fact in my first response to this poster. But they're ignoring it, or just don't understand it.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by Lampert

MA has an excess mortality of 18%, Ohio an excess mortality of 19%.
Also MA suffered most in the first wave, when everyone was unprepared, The situation has been under control better than most other states since.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...eath-toll.html

It has since declined to 52% but over 60% of Massachusetts deaths were in nursing homes before anyone understood the risk. By the time it got to flyover country, that risk was very well understood and treatment was well understood. If you back out all those March/April nursing home deaths, the Massachusetts excess mortality rate is really low compared to backward flyover states with Neanderthals.

[yesmaybe]

Oh this is good.. FDA is calling for a pause in J&J over blood clots.

[mdovell]

It's the FDA in the CDC and I think this might have been mentioned earlier on because that might explain why the number being delivered is so much lower. So this means a few different things here first of all if somebody received the J&J vaccine now what? People that receive J&J we're under the impression that they could just get one and then be done so does that mean they can have one of phiser or modrea be done or do they need to of that?

The implementation of the JJ vaccine was largely deployed in areas that are poor. Now you've got a policy issue for exactly who knew what and when.

Do we or do we not have enough to implement more of these other vaccines to replace J & Js displacement? I think we do but I think this could set us back weeks maybe even months.

What this also means is that if we are willing to dismiss the effectiveness of J&J that means by policy we also have to do the same for the Russian and Chinese vaccines. If we say that a vaccine that 77% effective with side effects has to be recalled and stopped but yet some that have just 52% are allowed that's not going to work out well.

Domestically I think we're doing okay still but internationally there's no way we're going to allow that Sputnik 512 come even close to the quality of Pfizer and Madera

[OutdoorLover]

Originally Posted by yesmaybe

Oh this is good.. FDA is calling for a pause in J&J over blood clots.

Yes, but like the AZ cases, the incidence appears very low - 6 cases have been reported so far out of 6.8 million doses given. Hopefully people won't over-react.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by yesmaybe

Oh this is good.. FDA is calling for a pause in J&J over blood clots.

It's fortunate that the two primary mRNA vaccines the United States has been using since December haven't shown these kinds of safety issues.



The Oxford-AstraZeneca blood clot issues have been known for months. The J&J issue with blood clots in pre-menopausal women also appear to be very rare. We've vaccinated over 120 million with at least one jab. As of the first week of April, there were 2,794 deaths among vaccinated people and they were all investigated. There was no evidence that vaccination contributed to any of those deaths. J&J has seen four clotting cases and one death. They've all been women under 45. That's out of 5 million vaccinations. You're more likely to die in a car crash in the 2 weeks after vaccination than to die of blood clots.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by mdovell

It's the FDA in the CDC and I think this might have been mentioned earlier on because that might explain why the number being delivered is so much lower. So this means a few different things here first of all if somebody received the J&J vaccine now what? People that receive J&J we're under the impression that they could just get one and then be done so does that mean they can have one of phiser or modrea be done or do they need to of that?

The implementation of the JJ vaccine was largely deployed in areas that are poor. Now you've got a policy issue for exactly who knew what and when.

Do we or do we not have enough to implement more of these other vaccines to replace J & Js displacement? I think we do but I think this could set us back weeks maybe even months.

What this also means is that if we are willing to dismiss the effectiveness of J&J that means by policy we also have to do the same for the Russian and Chinese vaccines. If we say that a vaccine that 77% effective with side effects has to be recalled and stopped but yet some that have just 52% are allowed that's not going to work out well.

The pause in J&J is not about the efficacy! It's about the caution over side effects.

And there is zero evidence that J&J was directed toward poor areas. I have a friend on Cape Cod who received J&J last weekend.