Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Boston: tenant, closing, restaurants)

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by lrfox

I don't know that it's an effort to massage the data to fit the message. The criteria makes it pretty clear that the classification is imperfect. It's right there in the numbers - people treated with dexamethasone are placed in the "from" category. That's the only criteria. However, since "at least 90% of seriously sickened individuals" are treated with dexamethasone, that leaves room for up to 10% of "seriously sickened individuals" to be categorized as being hospitalized "with," even if COVID was the primary reason for the hospitalization. That's a pretty significant number and the state is transparent about it. Regarding the PE, kidney failure, or stroke from COVID examples, I'd be curious to see numbers on how many of those are out there and whether or not they would significantly change the numbers. Furthermore, are we certain that they wouldn't also be treated with dexamethasone assuming they're COVID positive when they arrive (and thus categorized as "with")?

Even if the margin of error is as high as 15%, it's still pretty clear that a very significant number of people who are COVID positive and hospitalized are not hospitalized for COVID related reasons. It's also pretty clear that the even with "mild" Omicron, COVID is placing an outsized strain on hospitals.

At this point, it’s all moot. What matters is that what’s crashing our healthcare system is the unvaccinated 50+. Anyone who is vaccinated and boosted is pretty low risk of getting sick enough to land in the hospital unless they’re elderly with a degraded immune system or have a compromised immune system. My risk is a heart attack, stroke, or car crash where I get 3rd world medical treatment because the hospitals are overflowing, 20% of the staff retired because they gave up treating the unvaccinated, and I can’t get an ER physician, hospitalist, or specialist because the health care system has been paralyzed by unvaccinated Boomers and a lesser number of unvaccinated Gen X.

[brightdoglover]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

At this point, it’s all moot. What matters is that what’s crashing our healthcare system is the unvaccinated 50+. ... because the health care system has been paralyzed by unvaccinated Boomers and a lesser number of unvaccinated Gen X.

Is it informative to trot out the old "generation" tropes? After all, people over 75 are most at risk if unvaxxed and they are yet another generation. 75+

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by brightdoglover

Is it informative to trot out the old "generation" tropes? After all, people over 75 are most at risk if unvaxxed and they are yet another generation. 75+

Of course it’s informative. You have to ask the question “who is in the hospital”. That is what is driving the healthcare crisis. Remember when we totally pulled the plug in the name of “flatten the curve”? The hospital curve flattens completely if 50+ is vaccinated and boosted. That selfish group of 50+ and unvaccinated is paralyzing health care.

[L00k4ward]

Originally Posted by rach5

To the extent that covid (and perhaps especially Omicron!) may be a vascular disease, this new classification is misleading. So if you have a PE or stroke due to covid, it would be classified as incidental. If you end up in kidney failure due to covid, you'll be classified as incidental. This new with vs for is meant to deal with the fact that hospitalizations (and deaths!) have been so incredibly high yet again that it just doesn't "look good" for those who have been saying for months that cases don't matter, only hospitalizations and deaths matter, in order to keep the economy wide open. They are massaging the data to fit the message.

Great conclusion - makes sense how the data could be manipulated

[lrfox]

My fiancée got her “all clear” call on Sunday and never has more than a cough and some sniffles (and those are gone now). The worst part was not being able to leave. I never caught it. I took 4 PCR tests over the span (last one yesterday) and all were negative. We basically operated as usual at home too.

[justyouraveragetenant]

https://www.businessinsider.com/bost...mandate-2022-1

Vaccine passports hurt buisneses. I read in Seattle restaurants are going out of business because of the passports .

[robr2]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

https://www.businessinsider.com/bost...mandate-2022-1

Vaccine passports hurt buisneses. I read in Seattle restaurants are going out of business because of the passports .

All of them?? Really??

[Amontillado]

Are the restaurants dying "of" the vaccine passports or "with" the vaccine passports?

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by robr2

All of them?? Really??

People will lose their buisneses and you are ok with it.

Pay attention what's going on in Canada with the freedom convoys. Main stream media is not covering it

Seattle lost alot of buisneses. so it's ok if not all of them go under.

[msRB311]

I haven't noticed any restaurants going out of business lately. The service industry seems to be in a weird place right now. There's demand for services, people have money for the services but the service workers feel they aren't being paid enough.

It seems like waitstaff are making out alright and are being tipped well..but for services like hair and nails I don't really know. Those services already can cost a decent amount of money..the customer can only tip so much.