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The Ukrainian Air Force reports that today Air Defense shot down approximately 60 out of 70 Russian missiles. That will probably improve, moving forward. Power outages reported in Odesa. Repairs continue at other sites.
Ukraine strikes back:
Explosions hit two Russian air bases used by heavy bombers to attack Ukraine’s power grid, in a pair of strikes. Video footage from towns near the Engels air force base, in Russia’s central Saratov Region, showed a massive flash lighting up the sky above the facility, followed by a blast wave loud enough to set off car alarms at least 10 km. from the explosion.
I had been wondering how Ukraine was going to handle the preparations made by Russia to launch cruise missiles. It is hard to prepare bombers for attack without being detected.
The Ukrainian Air Force reports that today Air Defense shot down approximately 60 out of 70 Russian missiles. That will probably improve, moving forward. Power outages reported in Odesa. Repairs continue at other sites.
Ukraine strikes back:
Explosions hit two Russian air bases used by heavy bombers to attack Ukraine’s power grid, in a pair of strikes. Video footage from towns near the Engels air force base, in Russia’s central Saratov Region, showed a massive flash lighting up the sky above the facility, followed by a blast wave loud enough to set off car alarms at least 10 km. from the explosion.
I had been wondering how Ukraine was going to handle the preparations made by Russia to launch cruise missiles. It is hard to prepare bombers for attack without being detected.
Is this the first time that Ukraine has attacked a military base in Russia?
So you're upset because last time the bully got away with beating up his ex-stepbrother and taking his $h!t, but now that he has friends, the bully has to fight someone who fights back along with his friends?
It wasn't right then, and it isn't right now to take Ukraine's territory by force.
Wrong analogy.
This describes it better:
The U.S. is like the mob guy..trying to keep someone from coming to get their family back. Because they know if they get back with their family, they won't be able to run scams with them that has been making them big money.
Zelenskyy banned all the opposing Parties that were pro-Russia: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...inks-to-russia
Wrong analogy.
This describes it better:
The U.S. is like the mob guy..trying to keep someone from coming to get their family back. Because they know if they get back with their family, they won't be able to run scams with them that has been making them big money.
Zelenskyy banned all the opposing Parties that were pro-Russia: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...inks-to-russia
"Get their family back? Where are you getting this nonsense?
Of course Zelensky banned pro-Russian organizations, Good Lord, Russians are attacking Ukraine.
Is this the first time that Ukraine has attacked a military base in Russia?
No, not the first time. I remember that an airbase in Crimea was attacked a few months ago. Don't remember if it was by drone or special forces. A few aircraft were damaged.
Belgorod in Russia, while not a military base, has been attacked several times during this war. By missile and helicopter attacks. There may have been other attacks on other Russian cities. So this is nothing new.
Sevastopol base is very important for them. After the revolution/coup it was not clear if they would be able to keep it. Faced with similar circumstances the US would have troops all over in 24 hrs. Especially considering the language coming from the other side.
Yes, we didn't mean to annex Iraq. Still a million are dead.
In regards to the deal of the century, how much is Guantanamo again?
And next question, wtf are we doing in Cuba?
The U.S. is in Guantanamo Bay because of the Platt Amendment of 1901. It stated that Cuba must sell or lease lands to the United States necessary for coaling stations or the development of naval stations. All U.S. Navy ships were dependent on coal until 1916 and it had to be supplied from coaling stations around the world. Guantanamo Bay was also in a strategic position to protect the Panama Canal, which was started in 1904.
I doubt there is much strategic reason for the U.S. to continue to hold onto Guantanamo Bay. I doubt it is very important to the U.S. Navy.
The lease for Guantanamo Bay is $4085 a month, but only one check has ever been cashed.
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Originally Posted by GldnRule
There is nothing comparable...there is no Country that was part of the U.S. (not that long ago) that we want back.
I keep noting that...that it is the basis for what Putin is doing. For some reason...people want to brush off the major reason this whole thing is even happening.
It is the heart of the matter.
There was an agreement that most of the former Soviet republics would become independent countries. Russia agreed to this. Putin had no legitimate basis to invade Ukraine.
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Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz
I believe that would be the 1893 US overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii followed by the 1898 annexation.
Except there was no military invasion to take over Hawaii, it was done by American business interests.
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Originally Posted by hawk55732
And that gives Putin the right to attack Ukraine?
Obviously not.
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Originally Posted by GldnRule
If it was just "Ukraine fighting back" then it would have been over months ago.
It is only because others (mostly the U.S) have supplied over $100 BILLION (more than twice Russias total annual Defense Budget) and are fighting a proxy war with Russia that this is still going on.
If not for that...it would have been long over.
So the Russian invasion is legitimate because the U.S. and other countries came to the aid of a smaller, weaker country?
"Get their family back? Where are you getting this nonsense?
Of course Zelensky banned pro-Russian organizations, Good Lord, Russians are attacking Ukraine.
You must not know the history. It isn't "nonsense".
Nonsense is what you all are spewing.
Ukraine was one of the founding members of the Republic...since 1922.
Putin is a old Republic guy...that did not agree with it being separated. So...he wants to get it back together.
He has always noted this.
Someone going to get his members back is not "attacking" them. He is attacking those keeping them away.
They may even want to remain in the "gang"...but he wants them back.
The U.S./NATO should not interfere with the attempt to get them back.
You must not know the history. It isn't "nonsense".
Nonsense is what you all are spewing.
Ukraine was one of the founding members of the Republic...since 1922.
Putin is a old Republic guy...that did not agree with it being separated. So...he wants to get it back together.
He has always noted this.
Someone going to get his members back is not "attacking" them. He is attacking those keeping them away.
They may even want to remain in the "gang"...but he wants them back.
The U.S./NATO should not interfere with the attempt to get them back.
If the someone trying to get his members back ends up killing them because they dont want to go back, all well?
Today is 28th anniversary of signing Budapest memorandum. It "guaranteed" Ukraine integrity & protection in exchange for giving up its nuclear arsenal (3rd in world).
Memorandum was signed by leaders of Ukraine, USA, UK and Russia
Massive rocket attack on Ukraine continues. Symbolic.
Putin’s decision to invade is in direct violation of the Budapest Memorandum, a key instrument assuring Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. The US and the UK "guaranteed" Ukraine integrity and protection.
So the Russian invasion is legitimate because the U.S. and other countries came to the aid of a smaller, weaker country?
Putin's desire for the Republic is no more or less "legitimate" than any other view of it.
The U.S. is only aiding them now...because they have the goods on our leader, and he is compromised due to corrupt activity.
They needed our help even more the last time Russia took some of the Republic back, the time previous Biden was in office...but they didn't get it.
But that was before Biden was involved in corrupt dealings with them and got millions.
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