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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.49%
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Old 06-20-2024, 11:52 AM
 
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To be fair the A-10 rarely operated in heavily contested airspace and when it did it was with a full strike package which Ukraine doesn't have the resources to match
Is that why?

I've been wondering.
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Old 06-20-2024, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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Is that why?

I've been wondering.
That's why the USAF wants to retire theirs. In combat they will need heavy escorts to deal with missiles and fighters.
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Old 06-20-2024, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Russian bloggers are panicking - the new Minister of Defense Belousov visited the military camp of the 155th Banzai Brigade, which is under reconstruction, and said that the new barracks project must be completed on time because people “will soon start returning", whatever this means.
https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1803708472820732283
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Old 06-20-2024, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Central Massachusetts
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To be fair the A-10 rarely operated in heavily contested airspace and when it did it was with a full strike package which Ukraine doesn't have the resources to match
To also be fair the original intent of the A-10 was to counteract Russia's numbers of armored vehicles. That is why there are so many of them around. For Ukraine I also recommend fighter jets F16 or other NATO attack aircraft.
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Old 06-20-2024, 04:53 PM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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You haven’t been on the ground being contested by a Warhog.
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To be fair the A-10 rarely operated in heavily contested airspace and when it did it was with a full strike package which Ukraine doesn't have the resources to match
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That's why the USAF wants to retire theirs. In combat they will need heavy escorts to deal with missiles and fighters.
There is no weapon system that is designed to deal with every kind of threat.

They all depend on some other weapon system to deal with threats they weren't designed to deal with.

Tanks without air superiority and infantry are coffins.
Warthogs without Fighter cover are smoking holes.
Fighters without ground forces will soon have no where safe to land.

Fighting forces are an interlocking support system.

When new weapons force changes each supporting piece gets a slightly different role.

Tanks will never be completely obsolete, but they may be moved to a support role.
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Old 06-20-2024, 05:00 PM
 
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You haven’t been on the ground being contested by a Warhog.
It takes 3-5 years of training to effectively fly A10s in a ground attack role. Unless you plan to have American pilots in the cockpit and stand up an entirely new regional airbase to support them, the idea of sending these aircraft to Ukraine is silly.
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Old 06-20-2024, 07:24 PM
 
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It takes 3-5 years of training to effectively fly A10s in a ground attack role. Unless you plan to have American pilots in the cockpit and stand up an entirely new regional airbase to support them, the idea of sending these aircraft to Ukraine is silly.
Just as is idea of sending F-16s. For the simple reason of heavy maintenance, they will require. Proper airfields (open to areal attacks). Properly trained technicians. Logistics. Spare parts. Machinery to service them. Fuel. And so on. All of it being easy pray to missiles, bombs, sabotage, diversion.
Sure, there's bright idea of flying them from Poland or Romania and returning back after task completion. How practical is that?
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Old Yesterday, 03:23 AM
 
Location: Central Massachusetts
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There is no weapon system that is designed to deal with every kind of threat.

They all depend on some other weapon system to deal with threats they weren't designed to deal with.

Tanks without air superiority and infantry are coffins.
Warthogs without Fighter cover are smoking holes.
Fighters without ground forces will soon have no where safe to land.

Fighting forces are an interlocking support system.

When new weapons force changes each supporting piece gets a slightly different role.

Tanks will never be completely obsolete, but they may be moved to a support role.
That is totally true but as I said the A10 was developed to counter the threat of all the tanks and armored vehicles the Soviet Union had. That was the threat and it was made to counter it.
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Old Yesterday, 04:30 AM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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That is totally true but as I said the A10 was developed to counter the threat of all the tanks and armored vehicles the Soviet Union had. That was the threat and it was made to counter it.
I agree with you, on that.

I quoted your post just to give the next post context.
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Old Yesterday, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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If you ever thought the proxy for the US could ever defeat Russia you need to lose your cherished delusions.
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