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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 198 39.52%
No 254 50.70%
Unsure 49 9.78%
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Old 12-05-2022, 01:10 PM
 
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I said "Putin's desire for the Republic is no more or less "legitimate" than any other view of it."
That would mean any other view would be no more or less legit than his...including the Ukrainians that want to remain in the "gang" they have been in since 1991.
I'm talking about giving them 100 Billion of our taxpayers money...when we are 31 Trillion in debt, plagued with inflation & many hurting, even homeless. We need that money for our own people.
We didn't spend that much for a year of fighting in the Middle East on two fronts.
That's double Russia's entire annual Defense Budget...a crazy amount of money.
Who doesn't see that doesn't pass the smell test?
ONE HUNDRED BILLION?!! Get outta here with that scam!!
Not to mention backing a ruthless leader into a corner.
Most say, "He would never use nukes...he's bluffing". Typically the same that said, "He won't attack...he's bluffing".
He can have any point of view he wants, legitimate or not. That doesnt mean that he has the right to attack another country.
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Old 12-05-2022, 01:13 PM
 
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And? That doesnt make it right.
Doesn't mean it isn't either.
What is "right" is based upon subjective perspective.
What makes you the ultimate arbiter of Right vs Wrong?
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Old 12-05-2022, 01:16 PM
 
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Doesn't mean it isn't either.
What is "right" is based upon subjective perspective.
What makes you the ultimate arbiter of Right vs Wrong?
If we go by what seems to be your point of view, there is no right or wrong. That seems to be what you are saying.

However, what makes me the ultimate arbiter, in this certain instance, is that Putin invaded a sovereign nation.

You can bring up anything that the US or any other nation may or may not have done in the past. That doesnt change what Putin did this time.
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Old 12-05-2022, 01:18 PM
 
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Kissinger says to cede territory to end the Ukraine war:

https://www.businessinsider.com/kiss...e-putin-2022-5


Kissinger says that Taiwan shouldn't be a core diplomatic issue with China:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/23/kiss...gitations.html
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So Neville Chamberlain changed his name to Henry Kissinger?

Or did Philippe Petain change his name to Henry Kissinger?

There can never, ever, ever be an accommodation with evil.
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Old 12-05-2022, 01:25 PM
 
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He can have any point of view he wants, legitimate or not. That doesnt mean that he has the right to attack another country.
What do you mean he doesn't?...he did.
Ask him or the people in all the Opposition Parties that Zelenskyy threw out what is right.
Ask me.
Nobody's point of view is any more or less "legitimate" than any other.
I guess you could say no aggression whatsoever is "moral", "right", and "legitimate"...not even retaliatory.
I'm assessing it from a overall perspective.
I'm in NY...this is what lots of people here think...and they let their Representative know it:
https://twitter.com/JosBtrigga/statu...to-nuclear-war
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Old 12-05-2022, 01:25 PM
 
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I said "Putin's desire for the Republic is no more or less "legitimate" than any other view of it."
You seem to harbor pretty strong feelings against the view that the US and NATO should help out a country that's under attack. If you want to pretend to be nihilist, own it.
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Old 12-05-2022, 01:26 PM
 
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What do you mean he doesn't?...he did.
Ask him or the people in all the Opposition Parties that Zelenskyy threw out what is right.
Ask me.
Nobody's point of view is any more or less "legitimate" than any other.
I guess you could say no aggression whatsoever is "moral", "right", and "legitimate"...not even retaliatory.
I'm assessing it from a overall perspective.
I'm in NY...this is what lots of people here think...and they let their Representative know it:
https://twitter.com/JosBtrigga/statu...to-nuclear-war
You missed the part where I said he doesnt have the RIGHT to do it. Just because someone does something doesnt mean they have the RIGHT to do something.
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Old 12-05-2022, 01:29 PM
 
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If we go by what seems to be your point of view, there is no right or wrong. That seems to be what you are saying.

However, what makes me the ultimate arbiter, in this certain instance, is that Putin invaded a sovereign nation.

You can bring up anything that the US or any other nation may or may not have done in the past. That doesnt change what Putin did this time.
Putin does not see it as "legitimately sovereign"....he never has.
So...there ya go.
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Old 12-05-2022, 01:29 PM
 
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Putin does not see it as "legitimately sovereign"....he never has.
So...there ya go.
That doesnt make him in the right.

So... there ya go.
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Old 12-05-2022, 01:35 PM
 
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You missed the part where I said he doesnt have the RIGHT to do it. Just because someone does something doesnt mean they have the RIGHT to do something.
The "RIGHT" based upon what? Your arbitrary opinion?
He thinks he does have the RIGHT...he always has.
And he is the one that was part of a Republic with them.
So...there ya go.
I don't think anyone should have had the "RIGHT" to break up the Republic to begin with. HOWBOWDAH?!!
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