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Old 12-03-2022, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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ISW Update 12/3...this is where the real war will be taking place


https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ent-december-3

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Dec 3, 2022 - Press ISW

Ukrainian forces reportedly reached the east (left) bank of the Dnipro River across from Kherson City. The Ukrainian “Carlson” volunteer special air intelligence unit posted footage on December 3 of Ukrainian servicemen traversing the Dnipro River in boats, reaching a wooden marina-like structure on the east bank, and raising a Ukrainian flag on a tower toward near the shore. Special Unit “Carlson” reported that this is the first instance of a Ukrainian flag flying over the east bank of the Dnipro River and emphasized this operation will provide a springboard for subsequent Ukrainian operations on the east bank. If confirmed, this limited Ukrainian incursion onto the east bank could open avenues for Ukrainian forces to begin to operate on the east bank. As ISW has previously reported, observed Russian fortifications on the left bank indicate Russian forces are anticipating Ukrainian offensive actions on the east bank and have been constructing defensive lines south of the Dnipro River. The establishment of positions along the eastern riverbank will likely set conditions for future Ukrainian offensive operations into occupied Kherson Oblast, if Ukrainian troops choose to pursue this line of advance in the south.
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Old 12-03-2022, 07:10 PM
 
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Shipping brokers and analysts told the newspaper they estimated Moscow has quietly amassed more tankers this year.[/i]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-as...113852962.html

I'd bet that shipping companies took advantage of a desperate Russia to unload their most deteriorated vessels headed for the scrapyard.
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Old 12-03-2022, 08:18 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The shipping it part of the earlier statement has now been answered. Russia has been buying oil liners all along. Whoever was making money before shipping their oil is going no longer be needed as much.

Russia assembles a 'shadow fleet' of more than 100 oil tankers as Putin tries to bust western sanctions, report says



Russia has a "shadow fleet" of oil tankers to bypass western sanctions, the Financial Times reported.

Shipping brokers and analysts estimate that Moscow added 100-plus ships to the fleet, per the FT.

The EU has agreed on a $60 a barrel price cap on Russian oil after Poland wanted it set at just $30.

Russia has assembled a "shadow fleet" of more than 100 oil tankers in a bid to bust western sanctions imposed following Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, the Financial Times reported.

Shipping brokers and analysts told the newspaper they estimated Moscow has quietly amassed more tankers this year.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-as...113852962.html
Great!
But Russia will need a great deal more than 100 tankers.
Russia needs to boost its fleet by 157 Aframax, 65 Suezmax and 18 VLCC vessels. 60 are owned by Russian companies and another 70 aged at least 15 years - old by oil shipping standards - have been sold this year to unnamed firms that could trade oil outside the cap.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/comm...ap-2022-11-23/


See? If ya just read headlines without doing any actual work you can be led to believe all sorts of nutty things.
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Old 12-03-2022, 08:41 PM
 
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Great!
But Russia will need a great deal more than 100 tankers.


See? If ya just read headlines without doing any actual work you can be led to believe all sorts of nutty things.
Yes, I read the entire article, and you seem a little angry that I brought it to the table for informational purposes of course. They now have 100 tankers. Not a bad start, a lot more than you were pretending they were going to have.

See? If you actually had the nutty idea in your head that Russia (And other nations) are helpless without Euro/US 'assistance'. Truth is nations can move away from western nations and move onto other nations they can deal with.
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Old 12-03-2022, 08:55 PM
 
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Nations can indeed move away from western nations.

Let's just see how many want to line up with Russia.
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Old 12-03-2022, 09:41 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Yes, I read the entire article, and you seem a little angry that I brought it to the table for informational purposes of course. They now have 100 tankers. Not a bad start, a lot more than you were pretending they were going to have.

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It's a start.
But it ain't the solution. A round trip from St Petersburg to China takes 70 days. Currently, Russia exports 3.5 million BPD, so, as the article says, it would require about 1/3 more Russian tankers than they actually have.
A Suezmax tanker carries about 1 million barrels - so if China (70 days away) wants to buy 1 million BPD it would take a fleet of 70 Suezmax tankers going back and forth.
It's a real problem. Proximity counts.



Russia will always be able to sell oil. And gas. But it won't save them. Russia is trying all sorts of things, hoping for a miracle.
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Old 12-03-2022, 10:48 PM
 
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And the majority of the American people support every penny of that aide.
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Which particular conspiracy would that be? Russia planning to invade a neighboring country, or are we talking about some other theory? Nazis in power? Terrifying biolabs? No, wait - that was Russia's conspiracy theories, wasn't it?
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Putin sticks his nose in the entire world's business....like I said before you can take the boy out of the KGB...you just can't take the KGB out of the boy. And how and for whatever reason it happened...Putin's biggest problem isn't the President or politicians or western world leaders....it's the people of the US and Western Nations of all political stripes. Western public opinion is Putin's worst nightmare right now. This is similar to the story of Icarus



That about sums it up. Putin's prospects are not bright.
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There's another reason he won't:

Former CIA director and retired four-star army general David Petraeus warned on Sunday that if Russian president Vladimir Putin uses nuclear weapons in the nation, the US and its allies would destroy Russia's troops and equipment in Ukraine as well as sink its Black Sea fleet.

“We would respond by leading a NATO — a collective — effort that would take out every Russian conventional force that we can see and identify on the battlefield in Ukraine and also in Crimea and every ship in the Black Sea,” he said
https://nypost.com/2022/10/03/us-wou...ukes-petraeus/
Here in NY...this is what Democrat constituents had to say to their Representative Alexandria Ocasio Cortez about this matter:
https://twitter.com/JosBtrigga/statu...to-nuclear-war
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Old 12-04-2022, 06:10 AM
 
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This is a great article along those lines....you may hit a paywall but thev usually give you a few freebies.

The Hard Truth About Long Wars
Why the Conflict in Ukraine Won’t End Anytime Soon


https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukrai...bout-long-wars
I did, trying to access the article. And I can't remember the last time I visited Foreign Affairs.
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Old 12-04-2022, 08:11 AM
 
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I did, trying to access the article. And I can't remember the last time I visited Foreign Affairs.
The article makes the point that Putin will not stop because if he does he will surely lose power and perhaps even his life. The possibility of a weaker future for Russia and a stronger future for Ukraine keeps him in the war.
Putin will fight until he has no choice.



Many wars, of course, do last longer. Compromise fails to materialize for three main strategic reasons: when leaders think defeat threatens their very survival, when leaders do not have a clear sense of their strength and that of their enemy, and when leaders fear that their adversary will grow stronger in the future. In Ukraine, all these dynamics keep the war raging.
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Old 12-04-2022, 08:58 AM
 
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Many Russians Are Freezing In Their Homes Because Utility Workers Were Mobilized:

The Low-Down: Many Russians Are Freezing In Their Homes Because Utility Workers Were Mobilized
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