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Old 10-31-2022, 11:00 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Day 250 and Russia military is launching missiles from Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, hitting high rise apartment buildings and private homes.
Gee, where do get that nonsense from?! There are no heavy weapons at the NPP, observers from the international atomic agency are literally living on the NPP premises.

In addition to that, Ukrainians themselves report today that their own air defense is hitting residential buildings. Russians are civilized people, they don't target residential buildings.
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Old 10-31-2022, 11:10 AM
 
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Except the Finns did not lose to the Russians (Soviet Union). The first war was the Winter War. The second was The Continuation War, also known as the Second Soviet-Finnish War, fought by Finland and Nazi Germany against the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1944, as part of World War II.

See How Finland held off the Russians and won a moral victory — with lessons for Ukraine



But Russia was supposed to win this war in three days. Would Putin really have launched his invasion if he thought they would not have conquered Ukraine in much less than 8 months?



I think Putin will lose power similar to what happened to Nikita Khrushchev after the Cuban Missile Crisis.
The Finns did lose to the Soviet Union. The Finnish border was adjusted to what the Soviet Union wanted. If that is not a Finnish loss then I don't know what is. Now the Finns performed brilliantly and Soviet casualties were heavy. The Finns were in warm fortifications and had that advantage - quarters, kitchens, hospitals, and munitions in them. The Russians had to advance in the open through heavy woods along only a few roads where they were easy targets for Finnish snipers and assault troops. But the Russians won anyway despite these problems.

Your Washington Post article is behind a paywall so I was not able to read it. If it does indeed claim that Finland won that war then that is false information. But here is a wikipedia article that explains that despite all difficulties the Russians did win and adjusted the Finnish borders in the Soviet Union's favor.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

As for the Russian-Ukrainian conflict today, who said that the Russians would win the war in three days? That is absurd since no army in the world could have defeated Ukraine in that time including the US Army. Ukraine had strong forces at that time and being overrun in three days was simply not realistic no matter how strong the invading army.

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Old 10-31-2022, 11:29 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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I am in general agreement with your post. However the government of Russia is not organized the same way as in your example........... I am convinced that the only way to get him out of power early is for some minion to hasten his death, afterward I wouldn't expect that to go smoothly either.
Can you imagine the chaos that would result after Putin's assassination?!
I don't know if you caught it, but the Swiss banks locked down the accounts belonging to the oligarchs and their families. I'm not smart enough to figure out exactly what will happen and why, but that particular action will probably accelerate whatever is going to happen.
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Old 10-31-2022, 11:37 AM
 
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Can you imagine the chaos that would result after Putin's assassination?!
I don't know if you caught it, but the Swiss banks locked down the accounts belonging to the oligarchs and their families. I'm not smart enough to figure out exactly what will happen and why, but that particular action will probably accelerate whatever is going to happen.
You know when you keep repeating something it's advisable to provide a link or something else as a proof. The news I've seen (months ago), was mentioning freezing 7 billion worth of accounts which of course is a drop in the bucket.
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Old 10-31-2022, 11:53 AM
 
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...-aid-rcna54592

Zelensky wanted more $$ after another billion but I think Zelensky was just too comfortable with asking for more. Biden got angry because he's probably regretting the damage caused by the Ukraine war. If Ukraine war never existed, inflation would not have gotten out of control.

In the end, it will be like another Afgan sitcom where we helped them win for a certain amount of time then we pull out.

There's no way the US can help Ukraine win against Russia without us actually going there with troops. Russia and Ukraine share a border unless US goes there to help out. Russia can invade any time it want. Russian just needs to slowly isolate Ukraine and all of the $$ the US give will just slowly go down the drain.

It's pretty evident that Russia wants to punish Europe by cutting off resources and see how long Europe can hold out from Russia's cheaper resources.

Europe can print or borrow as much to pay for higher energy prices but for how long? The price of Euros will be a good indicator.

To people that want to see Russia gets defeated, Putin is in no hurry to take over Ukraine. Putin knows after winter, there will be delegates looking to resume talks of settlement. There's no way Europe can keep printing and borrowing to offset higher energy prices for the foreseeable future.

Solar energy doesn't replace oil, you need oil to make other things like plastic. European manufacturing will be in serious decline next year if they cannot find a cheaper trading partner than being gouged by Australia and the US for energy.
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Old 10-31-2022, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Oh Neuling!!! Are you going to answer the question? I'll link it for you just to expedite this process and so you can't offer any excuses.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...l#post64368723
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Old 10-31-2022, 11:57 AM
 
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You know when you keep repeating something it's advisable to provide a link or something else as a proof. The news I've seen (months ago), was mentioning freezing 7 billion worth of accounts which of course is a drop in the bucket.
The Department of Justice said Wednesday that the U.S. and its allies have frozen more than $30 billion of Russian oligarch assets and immobilized about $300 billion of Moscow’s central bank funds.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/29/doj-...ch-assets.html
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Old 10-31-2022, 12:04 PM
 
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The defense is always favored no matter the season. The attacker has to have a 3 to 1 superiority in most cases to be successful. 4 to 1, 5 to 1 would be even better. Again, no matter the season.

Winter did in Napoleon and Hitler whose troops were not used to the brutally cold Russian winters. But the Russians who are on the attack in Ukraine are used to the cold winters so winter is not an impediment to them. If anything, most Russians would consider Ukraine winters to be mild. The Ukrainians are on their home turf so they are used to their winters. But their power grids are being destroyed by Russian missiles so that Ukrainians are going to freeze this winter. So it is the Ukrainians that will be disadvantaged in this coming winter.
It's not about "being used" to their winters. No one "gets used" to -20 temperatures. It has a lot to do with mobility, which is usually adversely affected by winter. The invading force obviously relies more on mobility than the defenders.

It also has to do with being prepared for such weather. The Nazis problem is that they went into Russia with summer uniforms and light boots, thinking that they would be victorious long before winter came. I would think both Ukrainian and Russian troops will be prepared for cold weather.
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Old 10-31-2022, 12:10 PM
 
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Seems the secure corridor of the grain deal was abused for military purposes:

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Russian Defence Ministry specialists have extracted the wreckage of the submersibles that attacked (https://t.me/warfakes/8554) the base of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol. According to the data studied, most of the vehicles were launched from the coast near Odessa, but one UAV was launched from a humanitarian corridor in the Black Sea.

"The coordinates of movement of one of the maritime drones indicate a launch point in the maritime waters of the 'grain corridor' security zone in the Black Sea," the Russian Defence Ministry said (https://t.me/mod_russia/21307) in a statement.

According to preliminary information, the drone was launched from one of the dry cargo ships carrying grain. However, it remains unclear whether the vessel was chartered by the Ukrainian authorities or their Western handlers.
Oops, sorry, forgot to post the source, a very good channel by the way, often presenting details that our media hide from us:
https://t.me/waronfakesen/1302
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Old 10-31-2022, 12:11 PM
 
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Oh Neuling!!! Are you going to answer the question? I'll link it for you just to expedite this process and so you can't offer any excuses.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...l#post64368723
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