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Face the facts. Finland fought the USSR to a standstill.
Huh? That wasn’t a standstill, Finland had to give up some land.
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The Moscow Peace Treaty was signed by Finland and the Soviet Union on 12 March 1940, and the ratifications were exchanged on 21 March.[1] It marked the end of the 105-day Winter War, upon which Finland ceded border areas to the Soviet Union.
Europeans and some Americans love to believe Russia is a great power. That justifies their reluctance to fight battles which are clearly theirs to fight.
Russia, for its part, has demonstrated it is a weak power. They have not been able to wage an effective war against Ukraine and are permanently damaged because of it. They have not been able to thrive while sanctioned and probably will never recover from the effect of 2022 sanctions, no matter when they end. Population decline and the Russian reputation will relegate Russia to a permanent position of "has-been".
Europeans and some Americans love to believe Russia is a great power. That justifies their reluctance to fight battles which are clearly theirs to fight.
Russia, for its part, has demonstrated it is a weak power. They have not been able to wage an effective war against Ukraine and are permanently damaged because of it. They have not been able to thrive while sanctioned and probably will never recover from the effect of 2022 sanctions, no matter when they end. Population decline and the Russian reputation will relegate Russia to a permanent position of "has-been".
I have to disagree with your statement that Russia is not able to thrive under sanctions. Every single bit of evidence that I can find that is not just outright western propaganda, shows that the sanctions are doing absolutely nothing but making Russia stronger and more independent.
To see what effect the sanctions are having you have to look at sources from inside Russia. Yes they are trying to put the best face on it, but if people in Russia were hurting, that would be impossible to cover up. The Russian people might not be completely satisfied with how this war is going, but life is good for them, and their support for Putin is unwavering.
As far as Russia as a great super power, I agree 100%. As a military power they are a complete joke. But they can still do a lot of damage as this war proves.
Why are people trying to re-create their own history now?
Just because Finland had to give up some land doesnt mean that they didnt fight Russia to a standstill. It means that Russia gave up trying to advance. That is what a standstill is.
Just because Finland had to give up some land doesnt mean that they didnt fight Russia to a standstill. It means that Russia gave up trying to advance. That is what a standstill is.
Note that: "After the Soviet military reorganized and adopted different tactics they renewed their offensive in February and overcame Finnish defenses. Hostilities ceased in March 1940 with the signing of the Moscow peace treaty in which Finland ceded 9% of its territory to the Soviet Union".
If the Finns had really fought the Soviet Union to a standstill they would not have to have ceded anything. So this "fought to a standstill" narrative is a wishful fantasy. The Soviets won and took what they wanted. They could have overrun the whole of Finland if they wanted to. But they had their eyes on specific objectives and took them.
Last edited by BusinessManIT; 11-01-2022 at 06:42 AM..
Just because Finland had to give up some land doesnt mean that they didnt fight Russia to a standstill. It means that Russia gave up trying to advance. That is what a standstill is.
That's not what a standstill is. Keyword "ceding land."
This is literally the argument the left is trying to make right now for Zelensky: "Any land given up by Ukraine means they've LOST! Keep fighting! Send billions!"
Anyone with a working brain knows Ukraine will have to give up something for this war to end. You will call it a "standstill," Russia will call it a victory, and the world will call it peace.
Yes. So they were saying nothing about Russia then?
Sure, opinions were derived from facts.
Either the world agrees with you, or it is biased, regardless of facts.
Nice bubble you have created for yourself. It does explain why you have been able to make 8 months of failed predictions and you still think you are right. The facts do not matter to you, because anything contrary to your opinion is biased.
Note that: "After the Soviet military reorganized and adopted different tactics they renewed their offensive in February and overcame Finnish defenses. Hostilities ceased in March 1940 with the signing of the Moscow peace treaty in which Finland ceded 9% of its territory to the Soviet Union".
If the Finns had really fought the Soviet Union to a standstill they would not have to have ceded anything. So this "fought to a standstill" narrative is a wishful fantasy. The Soviets won and took what they wanted. They could have overrun the whole of Finland if they wanted to. But they had their eyes on specific objectives and took them.
And then we can go by the actual definition of standstill, "a situation or condition in which there is no movement or activity at all."
That is exactly what Finland did to Russia in WW2. Once again, you seem to be of the mindset that if you lose anything that you cannot have won at all. This is false. If a much larger power attacks a smaller power and the smaller power loses something but stops the larger power from achieving its goals, then the smaller power has also won. Sometimes simply stopping someone from doing what they want is a victory in and of itself.
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