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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.80%
No 255 50.50%
Unsure 49 9.70%
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Old 11-02-2022, 07:38 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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You can keep playing word games, but the bottom line is that the Soviet Union won and Finland lost the Winter War. The Soviets had two opportunities to take all of Finland and did not because they didn't want to. They just took the parts that they wanted and in addition Finland had to pay massive war reparations despite not having started that war. Therefore the premise that Finland fought the Soviet Union to a standstill is absurd and false.
"One more such victory and we are undone. You pick out the big men! I'll make them brave! Another victory like that and we are done for." (link)
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Old 11-02-2022, 07:55 AM
 
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You didn't actually read anything Putin has said have you? He has not threatened to use nukes first. The Russian edict is clear on the use of nukes. Only if attacked first.
Have you read the Basic Principles of State Policy of the Russian Federation on Nuclear Deterrence from 2020?

https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/l...ssia-mfa01.htm

“…The Russian Federation retains the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear weapons and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and/or its allies… and also in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is put under threat.”

In Putin’s Feb 24 2022 speech he said…

“…For our country, it is a matter of life and death, a matter of our historical future as a nation. This is not an exaggeration; this is a fact. It is not only a very real threat to our interests but to the very existence of our state and to its sovereignty”

It seems like Putin is framing this to meet the strike-first policy.
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Old 11-02-2022, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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If everyone is varying degrees of evil then everyone is also varying degrees of good. It depends on if you are more good, or at least strive to be more good, then evil that matters.
Evil and good are both subjective.
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Old 11-02-2022, 07:58 AM
 
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Evil and good are both subjective.
To you.
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Old 11-02-2022, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Danville, VA
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For those that still doubt Hungary will ratify Finland & Sweden's accession to NATO, this should clear it up:

https://twitter.com/niinisto/status/...C8-fLJ7YgsAAAA

Meanwhile, Turkey is still proving to be a tough nut to crack...
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Old 11-02-2022, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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To you.
Nope, to facts and logic.

This was a report by Reuters in 2018:
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Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1GV2TY

Another one from 2018
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Neo-Nazi groups recruit Britons to fight in Ukraine
https://theguardian.com/world/2018/m...ght-in-ukraine

The west was calling Ukraine a Nazi state way before Russia did. The west believes Ukraine is bad, now they believe they are good. Hence the subjectivity of each label to fit your own narrative.

I’m the one in the room pointing out the hypocrisy of both sides.

Oh and Europe is still funding this war.
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Europe is still quietly importing Russian nuclear energy
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/10/14/...ar-energy.html

So yes, good and bad are clearly subjective to fit your own narrative. You think you’ve chosen the “good side” when every side is bad.

Next you’ll claim Reuters, The Guardian, and CNBC are “Putin propaganda” because critical thinking isn’t allowed in your world.

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Old 11-02-2022, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Nope, to facts and logic.

This was a report by Reuters in 2018:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1GV2TY

Another one from 2018

https://theguardian.com/world/2018/m...ght-in-ukraine

The west was calling Ukraine a Nazi state way before Russia did. The west believes Ukraine is bad, now they believe they are good. Hence the subjectivity of each label to fit your own narrative.

I’m the one in the room pointing out the hypocrisy of both sides.

Oh and Europe is still funding this war.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/10/14/...ar-energy.html

So yes, good and bad are clearly subjective to fit your own narrative. You think you’ve chosen the “good side” when every side is bad.

Next you’ll claim Reuters, The Guardian, and CNBC are “Putin propaganda” because critical thinking isn’t allowed in your world.
What western governments were calling Ukraine “a Nazi state”? Do you have a link?
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Old 11-02-2022, 08:24 AM
 
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I disagree. This was their first "draw" after a lengthy series of "wins."
?

Soviet union removed missiles from Cuba, and the US removed missiles from Turkey. Plus the non invasion thing.
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Old 11-02-2022, 08:46 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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What western governments were calling Ukraine “a Nazi state”? Do you have a link?
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Back then in 2014 the Guardian was still a decent newspaper not afraid of printing the truth...

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ia-john-pilger
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Old 11-02-2022, 08:47 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Evil and good are both subjective.
That crock of nonsense belongs right up there with "Russia is carefully avoiding civilian casualties".
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