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I fully understand that Ukraine doesn't have unlimited manpower. What I mean is, even if there was undeniable proof that 10,000 Ukrainians have already been killed in the counteroffensive, it doesn't affect my view of the war. It doesn't mean Ukraine is going to give up. It doesn't mean America will stop sending more and more advanced weapons, or training more Ukrainian soldiers.
Ukraine will keep fighting until either Ukraine runs out of Ukrainians or western support collapses. When will that be? I don't know. Ukraine has done a wonderful job of propagandizing the Ukrainian people and dehumanizing the Russians. Ukraine and the West control everything the Ukrainians see and hear. And currently, Ukraine has a near total blackout of all information related to the counteroffensive. They don't know what is happening.
Moreover, the west doesn't care how many Ukrainians are killed. So who is your audience for your claims of how many Ukrainians have been killed?
16 000. Not 10 000.
regardless.
Here's when it will happen:
WHEN COST OF RUNNING THAT OPERATION BY WEST WILL SUPERSEDE PROFIT. It is that simple.
Next, it will happen when forces, that run both west and Russia, will be content with the accomplished result.
And I guess Russia does no propagandizing....no no ...they never do that
And Putin doesn't control everything Russians see and hear...
Actually, he doesn't. There are institutions, that do that. How hard is it to understand that, "Putin" does not really do much of any acts, he's blamed of, personally? Just like "Biden" or "Xi" or you name it.
Ukraine has every right to stop Russian invaders and weapons from entering one part of occupied Ukrainian land to another part of occupied Ukrainian land. Crimea will be liberated, go F yourselves Putin and his oligarchs
Well this is all very hypothetical, since it can't really happen short of WW3, but what happens if Crimea does not want to be liberated?
More bad news for Russia: China is not doing well economically. Xi won't be able to help Russia. That trip that Blinken took to China, I am sure Russia's invasion of Ukraine was part of the conversation.
Xi is desperate for foreign trades. The US can help. Russia can't. The math is simple.
More bad news for Russia: China is not doing well economically. Xi won't be able to help Russia. That trip that Blinken took to China, I am sure Russia's invasion of Ukraine was part of the conversation.
Xi is desperate for foreign trades. The US can help. Russia can't. The math is simple.
Lol, "can help"? Do you think they forgot the crippling sanctions started by the previous administration ?
It's scary how fast Russia can recruit online bots, given that they have trouble recruiting soldiers at home.
You call people a bot if they use their own brain and don't repeat propaganda 100% verbatim. You want people to regurgitate the programming that the MSM feeds us.
You don't see the irony in calling others bots? Do you still think Putin blew up his own pipeline?
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Originally Posted by ukrkoz
Two updates.
The third counteroffensive is developing as I type. Started at night local time.
Gauleiters Z signed order for another mobilization. Goal is to draft 70 000 conscripts and put them through accelerated NATO 3 months training program.
Thanks for the update.
CNN reported today that western officials are admitting that Ukraine's June offensives have under-performed expectations.
I know a Ukrainian who just got back to Ukraine after being gone for a few years. Hope he is safe, but he'll likely get drafted.
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Originally Posted by greywar
Were starting to see Ukraine approach some of the critical logistics roads as part of this assault, given the losses in logistics bases, if they lose resupply then units all around this are in deep deep trouble. Everyone focuses on which cities they take, but its really more important about which logistic roads they remove access too.
Great points.
In the Civil War there often was an emphasis on trying to take cities, which was a mistake. Weakening the enemy army, supplying your army, depriving the other army was more important.
I watch these update videos on the current war and it seems like some will make a big deal if a vacant field or shelled out ghost town changes hands. And I understand that perhaps an area could have high ground for tactical advantage, but a lot of these videos seem silly. "Ukraine retakes the field outside the village in a major advantage shift." But it's not even half a square mile and well short of the main Russian defensive units.
More bad news for Russia: China is not doing well economically. Xi won't be able to help Russia. That trip that Blinken took to China, I am sure Russia's invasion of Ukraine was part of the conversation.
Xi is desperate for foreign trades. The US can help. Russia can't. The math is simple.
True.
Japan and Germany became great countries only after they began trading with the rest of the world. In the beginning, after WW2, that meant the US, but now there are lots of places to trade. But you need to behave yourself, because each prospective trading partner has lots of alternatives.
Few countries honestly want to trade with China. China is now heavily invested in countries who are not doing well and cannot pay back the money China loaned them. So China will end up holding expensive infrastructure in countries will little prospect of success.
Covid virus expenses, demographic decline, military sabre rattling, generally short of raw materials, and actual deflation. It doesn't look good for China.
Originally Posted by greywar Were starting to see Ukraine approach some of the critical logistics roads as part of this assault, given the losses in logistics bases, if they lose resupply then units all around this are in deep deep trouble. Everyone focuses on which cities they take, but its really more important about which logistic roads they remove access too.
Well, so far, no one is even mentioning taking cities, unless high.AFU is like a fly in molasses in the grey zone and if ANYONE read very structured Yuri's post - Surovikin line is 25 kilometers deep. TWENTY FIVE. Fortifications, MINE FIELDS, TRENCHES, DRAGON TEETH (yes, I know, they have one tank, equipped to go through them. until hit)
But the thing is - it does not really matter, if you have a road for supplies. What does matter, is if you have elevations, with artillery on them and air superiority. And, if someone really thinks that a handful of old F16s, not even suited to fight against Su35s, will make any difference - they need major reality check. MAJOR.
One of the basic postulates of positional warfare is, successful offensive is NOT possible, unless a principally new weapon is used. Before John will say "this is not how it works" let me remind of something . The first tank attack in WWI that lead to strategic enemy line breakthrough. What do you have now? Drones looked promising for a moment but REC were figured out and they became more of nuisance now, than offensive weapon of the new generation.
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