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Old 05-11-2022, 03:46 PM
 
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HaHa

William Blake, believed He walked on England's pleasant green pastures

I don't think the language of those inhabitants 2000 years ago was the Kings English
He very well may have (John 21:25, Genesis 5:22).

 
Old 05-11-2022, 03:52 PM
 
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justbyfaith, I suggest you look at this site:
https://www.biblegateway.com/

and compare all relevant versions for verses you are interested in.

Then look at this site:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/

It has a great feature that lets you see the original Greek and Hebrew words and potential meanings.

Then I suggest you look at this site:
https://www.concordant.org/version/r...tament-online/

It is a close translation to the original Greek. It will make it easier to spot bias/mistranslations.

Then compare ALL of the above versions. Come to an understanding. Don't rely on a singular version like the KJV. Use your mind and reasoning. Pray and meditate with humility. Maybe you will see the truth.

Matt 25:46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian."
To be consistent,

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosever believeth in Him should not perish but have eonian (age-during) life." (John 3:16)

Thus, believing in Christ will afford for you life that will only last until the end of the age.

Such good news that you are preaching!
 
Old 05-11-2022, 03:54 PM
 
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To be consistent,

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosever believeth in Him should not perish but have eonian (age-during) life." (John 3:16)

Thus, believing in Christ will afford for you life that will only last until the end of the age.

Such good news that you are preaching!
No. Why do you think the life ends after the eon? There will be further eons to be revealed, some are shown symbolically in Revelations. We are also granted immortality at resurrection.

Please look at the sites I suggested. It will help with your studies.
 
Old 05-11-2022, 03:58 PM
 
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No. Why do you think the life ends after the eon? There will be further eons to be revealed, some are shown symbolically in Revelations. We are also granted immortality at resurrection.

Please look at the sites I suggested. It will help with your studies.
Likewise, why do you think that the punishment ends after the eon?

Because you want it to?
 
Old 05-11-2022, 04:04 PM
 
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Likewise, why do you think that the punishment ends after the eon?

Because you want it to?
Because to punish anyone without a view of reforming them by it, is unjust(Maybe not in your mind). God is just.

Yet God did not even punish you for your sins. You believed He punished Jesus for them. You boast about faith, yet that faith is a gift according to Eph 2. So all in all it is all of God, unless of course it comes to those You believe deserved to be punished sadistically through eternity with a tormenting fire.
 
Old 05-11-2022, 04:05 PM
 
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Likewise, why do you think that the punishment ends after the eon?

Because you want it to?
NO.
Because it is correction for an eon - God's correction/punishment is for a purpose - to make people righteous.
And because of ALL THE OTHER VERSES that say GOD WILL SAVE ALL, RECONCILE ALL, REMOVE ALL CURSES, END HIS WRATH, GIVING THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY TO WHOEVER WANTS IT. I apologize for shouting but it felt warranted. All people will learn righteousness and every knee will bow. And because this is told to be good tidings of great joy.

You ask how I know the life will continue past the eon. Because he will grant us immortality, DEATH is defeated. If DEATH is defeated, then literally no one will ever die. The wages of sin is death, yet sin is defeated on the cross, therefore death will also be defeated. We don't see it yet, but it is a promise of things to come.

There will be no more pain and no more suffering. Death is defeated. All are free to drink of the water of life.

Done.
 
Old 05-11-2022, 04:06 PM
 
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Because to punish anyone without a view of reforming them by it, is unjust(Maybe not in your mind). God is just.

Yet God did not even punish you for your sins. You believed He punished Jesus for them. You boast about faith, yet that faith is a gift according to Eph 2. So all in all it is all of God, unless of course it comes to those You believe deserved to be punished sadistically through eternity with a tormenting fire.
Yes. Thankyou.

justbyfaith thinks punishment is an end to itself. Once you are punished, you are simply punished forever for no other purpose than to be punished. Nothing better can come out of it. Ridiculous and savage.
 
Old 05-11-2022, 04:11 PM
 
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Because to punish anyone without a view of reforming them by it, is unjust(Maybe not in your mind). God is just.

Yet God did not even punish you for your sins. You believed He punished Jesus for them. You boast about faith, yet that faith is a gift according to Eph 2. So all in all it is all of God, unless of course it comes to those You believe deserved to be punished sadistically through eternity with a tormenting fire.
Did you ever stop to think that there are those who might be unreformable?

Is it just in the first place to cast into fire those who can be otherwise reformed?
 
Old 05-11-2022, 04:12 PM
 
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NO.
Because it is correction for an eon - God's correction/punishment is for a purpose - to make people righteous.
And because of ALL THE OTHER VERSES that say GOD WILL SAVE ALL, RECONCILE ALL, REMOVE ALL CURSES, END HIS WRATH, GIVING THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY TO WHOEVER WANTS IT. I apologize for shouting but it felt warranted. All people will learn righteousness and every knee will bow. And because this is told to be good tidings of great joy.

You ask how I know the life will continue past the eon. Because he will grant us immortality, DEATH is defeated. If DEATH is defeated, then literally no one will ever die. The wages of sin is death, yet sin is defeated on the cross, therefore death will also be defeated. We don't see it yet, but it is a promise of things to come.

There will be no more pain and no more suffering. Death is defeated. All are free to drink of the water of life.

Done.
Fire is not needed....a person can be made righteous by and through faith.

So, the purpose of the fire is everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46).
 
Old 05-11-2022, 04:14 PM
 
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Yes. Thankyou.

justbyfaith thinks punishment is an end to itself. Once you are punished, you are simply punished forever for no other purpose than to be punished. Nothing better can come out of it. Ridiculous and savage.
Yes, we should put people like Hitler into paradise as a reward for their behaviour. Anything else is ridiculous and savage. And also, Hitler should be in the same paradise as the rest of us, without dealing with his sin nature.

No danger of another holocaust, in heaven, there!
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