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As Paul said, if Jesus was not raised from the dead, if there is no resurrection of the dead, then faith is in vain. Faith is in the promise of resurrection. The gift of salvation comes from doing what Jesus said to do to get eternal life. Rejecting Jesus is rejecting what Jesus said to do and therefore rejecting the possibility of eternal life. It is really very simple.
I assumed it was already a given we recognize Jesus being raised from the dead etc etc.
That is part of what we are putting faith in.
The gift of salvation comes from simply
1) Having Faith in Jesus / God as described in the Bible
2) Repenting of your sins
3) Becoming born again
Yes, Jesus said to do the above, thus if you reject the above, you are rejecting salvation.
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One of the worst sins in Islam is assigning partners to God or in any way compromising the oneness of God. The Islamic term for this sin is "shirk." Every time you pray in the name of Jesus or worship the Trinity, you commit this grave sin in Islam. You can read more about it here.
And yes, Islam has a hell for all those who do not repent of that sin before death. So by worshipping the Trinity, you are in danger of hell if Allah is the true God and Mohammed is Allah's Final Prophet.
I am in danger of hell with the Christian God as well.
Christianity has more validity than the Islam.
Thus I will put my stock with the Christian God.
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I assumed it was already a given we recognize Jesus being raised from the dead etc etc.
That is part of what we are putting faith in.
The gift of salvation comes from simply
1) Having Faith in Jesus / God as described in the Bible
2) Repenting of your sins
3) Becoming born again
Yes, Jesus said to do the above, thus if you reject they above you rejecting salvation.
What does it mean to have faith in Jesus independently of doing what Jesus wants done. John 15 Jesus says if you love him keep his commands and he will love you. What commands did Jesus give? Matthew 19. And note that in Mark's nearly identical presentation of that episode, when the man says he has kept the commands Jesus stated, Mark tells us that Jesus loved him. And going back to John 15 Jesus gives the explicit command to love one anther, just like Matthew tells us Jesus said. Believing in Jesus is believing in what he said to do and that there will be a future reward for that.
Repentance is all over the NT. Yes one must repent of the sins that one does commit to be forgiven of them.
Becoming born again. Is this any different than repenting of past sins and resolving to do better? If it is something else, exactly what is it? Recall that Nicodemus, a teacher of scriptures, was expected to get some unstated reference. The idea of repentance and seeking to no longer sin is all over the Jewish scriptures. If that is not it, then what was the reference Nicodemus should have gotten?
I am in danger of hell with the Christian God as well.
Christianity has more validity than the Islam.
Thus I will put my stock with the Christian God.
How do you know Christianity has more validity than Islam?
There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world today. There are 2.2 billion Christians in the world today (the majority of which are Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox and do not believe in the absolute assurance of salvation).
What does it mean to have faith in Jesus independently of doing what Jesus wants done. John 15 Jesus says if you love him keep his commands and he will love you. What commands did Jesus give? Matthew 19. And note that in Mark's nearly identical presentation of that episode, when the man says he has kept the commands Jesus stated, Mark tells us that Jesus loved him. And going back to John 15 Jesus gives the explicit command to love one anther, just like Matthew tells us Jesus said. Believing in Jesus is believing in what he said to do and that there will be a future reward for that.
Repentance is all over the NT. Yes one must repent of the sins that one does commit to be forgiven of them.
Becoming born again. Is this any different than repenting of past sins and resolving to do better? If it is something else, exactly what is it? Recall that Nicodemus, a teacher of scriptures, was expected to get some unstated reference. The idea of repentance and seeking to no longer sin is all over the Jewish scriptures. If that is not it, then what was the reference Nicodemus should have gotten?
Easy, I can have faith in Jesus/God (in that they exist) and not follow his commandments / instructions.
That is only part of it. You must do a step of things. Which I outlined already.
Yes, becoming born again is certainly different than simply repenting of your sins and resolving to do better. Becoming born again is turning from your sinful lifestyle. One that willingly dilleberatly keeps sinning and simply asking for repentance every day/week is not born again. He is still living a sinful lifestyle.
How do you know Christianity has more validity than Islam?
There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world today. There are 2.2 billion Christians in the world today (the majority of which are Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox and do not believe in the absolute assurance of salvation).
Hmmm...42%...that seems like an uncomfortably high chance of ending up in a hell for eternity.
How do I know? Many reasons.
You already pointed out one. More adherents. If someone asks what is the best search engine, I would recommend Google. Why, because it is the most used / popular.
I am putting my stake with the best odds. And Christianity is without a doubt the best "bet".
I believe my post addressed a point made by Alt Thinker, not you.
What you seein'?
It ain't about what I wrote.
I already showed his point to be invalid and not logical.
Like him you are more than welcome to address the points I made.
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