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I have to wonder if those that believe that their god created everything from 'nothing' ever stop to try to imagine their god ...doing what? sort of just floating around?.......in all the unimaginable 'nothingness' that preceded his creating everything.
The usual copout is something about a different 'plane'. Well, if he created everything, that would have to include this different plane which brings us back full circle.
As I pointed out there is evidence that supports some claims, events, and people in the Bible.
There is absolutely zero evidence supporting the notion of a Cosmic Hamster.
Apples to Oranges.
Atheists and Theists alike both are believing in something unknown or proven.
Theists - A Creator
Atheists - Something from nothing
What does atheism have to do with the origin of the universe? Atheism is the non-belief in a God, pure and simple. It speaks nothing to evolution, abiogenesis, the Big Bang, etc.
I have to wonder if those that believe that their god created everything from 'nothing' ever stop to try to imagine their god ...doing what? sort of just floating around?.......in all the unimaginable 'nothingness' that preceded his creating everything.
The usual copout is something about a different 'plane'. Well, if he created everything, that would have to include this different plane which brings us back full circle.
What does atheism have to do with the origin of the universe? Atheism is the non-belief in a God, pure and simple. It speaks nothing to evolution, abiogenesis, the Big Bang, etc.
If one doesn't believe in God and/or the supernatural then there is only one way to assume the universe came to be ie something from nothing.
If one doesn't believe in God and/or the supernatural then there is only one way to assume the universe came to be ie something from nothing.
Time is not necessarily linear and has not necessarily always worked the way it appears to now. For all we know the one thing that IS eternal is the universe or at least the multiverse.
The operative central fact is that no one actually knows, and therefore the only appropriate response is to admit that and let it be as it is unless and until we DO know -- not make up stories about it on the one hand, or to limit hypotheses we might come up with, to the ones that please us to think of as true.
Theists must by definition have absolute knowledge, otherwise religion would have no value proposition to offer humanity. It manufactures certitude where it can't obtain it. That is the root of all objections to faith-beliefs. And, in the converse, the intolerable state of not knowing is the root of all objections to unbelief. Unbelievers can sit with uncertainty because we have no ox for uncertainty to gore.
Time is not necessarily linear and has not necessarily always worked the way it appears to now. For all we know the one thing that IS eternal is the universe or at least the multiverse.
The operative central fact is that no one actually knows, and therefore the only appropriate response is to admit that and let it be as it is unless and until we DO know -- not make up stories about it on the one hand, or to limit hypotheses we might come up with, to the ones that please us to think of as true.
Theists must by definition have absolute knowledge, otherwise religion would have no value proposition to offer humanity. It manufactures certitude where it can't obtain it. That is the root of all objections to faith-beliefs. And, in the converse, the intolerable state of not knowing is the root of all objections to unbelief. Unbelievers can sit with uncertainty because we have no ox for uncertainty to gore.
Thats a theory buddy.
So again, the atheists are also using faith to form their beliefs.
Most theists admit their belief is on faith ie not provable.
False equivalency is your favorite tactic. You illustrate your ignorance of the scientific method.
Its either proven or its not. If not, In which case one has to use faith (whether on evidence or not).
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