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I'm certainly not opposed to the idea that the original transcripts don't have any errors...
However, since those transcripts have been lost to antiquity, it should be clear that God has preserved His unadulterated message by other means.
God is both Omnipotent and sovereign and loving.
Because He is Omnipotent and sovereign, He has the power to preserve the unadulterated message of the gospel that brings salvation in a translation that is contended for as being inspired and inerrant; and superior to all others.
Because He is loving, He was motivated to do so.
He allowed satan to produce his counterfeits; but He made sure that certain people in the body of Christ would contend for the translation that He placed His stamp of approval on; as being the only translation that has for us the unadulterated whole counsel of God.
So he couldn't keep the original transcripts from getting lost, but somehow he preserved them by other means? What means are they ?
This post is right up there with the biggest bunch of nonsense I have ever read on here.
So he couldn't keep the original transcripts from getting lost, but somehow he preserved them by other means? What means are they ?
This post is right up there with the biggest bunch of nonsense I have ever read on here.
He rationalizes what is irrational by using what he believes God COULD DO! He pays no attention to the ample evidence that WE have Dominion here by God's Sovereign Will and God did no such thing!!!
He rationalizes what is irrational by using what he believes God COULD DO! He pays no attention to the ample evidence that WE have Dominion here by God's Sovereign Will and God did no such thing!!!
Every passage that you have ever used on my watch in order to promote Universalism has been explained and shown to not actually preach Universalism.
So, there is no contradiction between passages on eternal torments and passages that you think teach that all men will be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.
The passages on eternal torments reign in my view.
In order to deny them, you have to do what was prophesied in 2 Timothy 4:3...
You have to say, in looking at the kjv (and other versions also) "I don't like the way that this is translated....what does this translation say?"
Thus you do not endure sound doctrine but heap to yourself teachers (in the translators of other versions) to tell you what your itching ears want to hear.
But you don't have any good reason for rejecting the rendering of the kjv on these matters; other than the fact that you don't like the implications of what is taught by the kjv on these matters.
I think you should look inward before you claim anyone who doesn't agree with you has 'itching ears'. Itchy ears love to hear how their enemies will be tormented forever.
You haven't explained how any verses don't preach universal salvation other than to claim eternal torments exist. In your view 'eternal torments reigns'. You have said sin will continue on forever.
Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil
In jbf's view it is foolishness that the gospel is good news for all people; they think that eternal torment reigns.
Yes he does, foolishness to him means confirmation that it must be of God. It is foolishness to anyone who believes in eternal hell, that the cross is where Jesus Christ destroyed everything that accused man before God.
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Why wouldn't God preserve His unadulterated message to us if He is both willing and able to do so?
Don't you people believe that God is love?
If God is able to preserve the message of salvation to us;
But it is your contention that He didn't;
My question to you is, why didn't He?
Since the unadulterated message of the gospel is the message of salvation?
You don't think God wants people to be saved?
He doesn't love us, therefore?
Oh this is rich.
Do you think God wants people to be saved? Your belief system is a walking contradiction.
God 'allowed' Satan to corrupt the scriptures. That's gonna make it a lot harder for people to be saved then wouldn't it? If only God could do something to save people, but his plans are ruined by Satan.
Do you realize not everyone who calls 'Lord, Lord' will not make it into the Kingdom of God?
Do you realize God hardens hearts so they will not understand?
Do you realize Jesus spoke in parables so they would not understand?
If your belief in the reign of eternal torment is true, what hope is there for you?
Perhaps there is another reason God does these things; its not to force people into some alleged eternal torment - what kind of a god would say he loves everyone and wants to save everyone and then purposely makes them blind so as not to understand, and then fall into the very thing he could save them from.
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If only God could do something to save people, but his plans are ruined by Satan.