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You should have said, "It's already manifestly obvious that there are negative spiritual consequences from sin by just looking at the fallen state of things." But God has no wrath about it and is NOT imposing the consequences. We are earning them. God wants us to avoid them. That is why He is warning us about them. Our primitive ancestors mistakenly interpreted them as threats.
They believed they were consequences of God's wrath because they considered ALL negative consequences as the wrath of God. That is why they have been perceived as threats instead of loving warnings. Our Father Abba does NOT threaten. That is what the mafia Godfather does. Everything God does and has done has been to teach us how to avoid negative spiritual consequences of what WE BECOME.
The Lord certainly does have wrath against sin (Nahum 1:2-3, Romans 1:18, Romans 5:9).
Last edited by justbyfaith; 04-06-2022 at 07:50 PM..
The Lord certainly does have wrath against sin (Nahum 1:2-3, Romans 1:18, Romans 5:9).
God condemned sin not the sinner, the only reason you believe otherwise is due to your fear(not reverence) of God and mis guided thought of hell tormenting you.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.
Sin being the cause of all our problem to the flesh. You are not your flesh, that is just the garment you have fashioned into the likes of your thoughts. As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.
Actually, justice is satisfied as our sin is laid upon Jesus and is punished in Him.
That's not justice since Jesus is innocent. Sin is not a tangible thing that can be literally "laid upon Jesus" making Him somehow guilty. That type of language is figurative. Jesus suffered the wages of sin - generally - in that He suffered death.
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Originally Posted by justbyfaith
This is the basic message of the animal sacrifices in the Old Testament.
The sin of the person making the sacrifice is laid on the animal and the animal is killed in the person's stead.
The message: the wages of sin is death.
Yes, the sin being "laid on the animal" is figurative typology. Sin is not tangible, so it cannot literally be laid on something.
"For here is the way God loved the world—he gave his only, unique Son as a gift. So now everyone who believes in him will never perish but experience everlasting life. God did not send his Son into the world to judge and condemn the world, but to be its Savior and rescue it! " ~TPT
That's not justice since Jesus is innocent. Sin is not a tangible thing that can be literally "laid upon Jesus" making Him somehow guilty. That type of language is figurative. Jesus suffered the wages of sin - generally - in that He suffered death.
Yes, the sin being "laid on the animal" is figurative typology. Sin is not tangible, so it cannot literally be laid on something.
So, Catholicism does not contend that our sins were laid on Jesus? That He was our propitiation? That He became sin for us?
"For here is the way God loved the world—he gave his only, unique Son as a gift. So now everyone who believes in him will never perish but experience everlasting life. God did not send his Son into the world to judge and condemn the world, but to be its Savior and rescue it! " ~TPT
God is not a potential Saviour: He IS Saviour!
Have you considered what it says in the very next verse (John 3:18)?
Jhn 3:18, He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19, And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20, For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21, But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
That's not justice since Jesus is innocent. Sin is not a tangible thing that can be literally "laid upon Jesus" making Him somehow guilty. That type of language is figurative. Jesus suffered the wages of sin - generally - in that He suffered death.
Yes, the sin being "laid on the animal" is figurative typology. Sin is not tangible, so it cannot literally be laid on something.
You will continue in unbelief concerning this to your own destruction.
But if you are going to be adamant, we will have to agree to disagree.
Have you considered what it says in the very next verse (John 3:18)?
Jhn 3:18, He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19, And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20, For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21, But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
I suspect it is YOU who has not considered what it says in the very next verse (John 3:18). The implications are clear if you do NOT believe Jesus you will not act on it and will condemn yourself by not doing anything. Miss Kate keeps trying to point this out to you but you adamantly refuse to see it.
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You should have said, "It's already manifestly obvious that there are negative spiritual consequences from sin by just looking at the fallen state of things." But God has no wrath about it and is NOT imposing the consequences. We are earning them. God wants us to avoid them. That is why He is warning us about them. Our primitive ancestors mistakenly interpreted them as threats.