Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Paxton: strawberry, low income, home)

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by robr2

No. The vaccine effectiveness does decrease but slowly. Reports show that it should be good for a year. The issue is that variants render the vaccine less effective but the good news is that even at the lower effectiveness, it can still reduce the need for hospitalization should a break through case occur.

That’s not what I’m reading out of Israel. They’re saying 39% efficacy for Pfizer at 6 months. If you get a breakthrough infection at 6 months, the viral load is similar to not being vaccinated. Provincetown corroborates that finding. The booster gets efficacy against Delta back to just shy of 90%.

Vaccination mostly keeps you out of the hospital for 6 months to a year. Israel put their priority on boosters for age 60+ at 6 months so they’ve concluded that the risk of severe infection probably starts ramping up at that point. I imagine if you’re younger and lower risk, the 1 year guess is pretty accurate. My 89 year old mother in memory care got vaccinated in January/February. She should be getting a booster now. We don’t want a repeat of the nursing home debacle.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

there are police officers who do not want to get vaccinated. over 20 percent of Seattle police force may be fired if they do not get the vaccine.....

here is the proof...

https://timcast.com/news/over-20-per...ccinated-soon/

looks like I am not that out of touch with reality.

covid compliance is more important than even having a working police force. you will comply!! its not about safety and health measures when illegals come here with the virus. it's conditioning the American people that covid restrictions are here to stay even if businesses go under or people die from the vaccine. illegals do not have to get the vaccine because they vote democrat. biden will stomp you with his authoritarian boot!! you are human garbage to him! lick the boots slaves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsZSATx77-Y

as Biden says " this is not about freedom or personal choice." those are ugly words in massechusetts.

The median IQ for police nationally is 104 and their education level is really low. Why is it surprising that 20% don’t want to be vaccinated? It’s the Proud Boys demographic.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

The median IQ for police nationally is 104 and their education level is really low. Why is it surprising that 20% don’t want to be vaccinated? It’s the Proud Boys demographic.

Not really that shocking given that the median IQ for the average American is 98, so the police officer has a higher median IQ than the average American. Mass is 104. However some of these police officers probably have similar reasons as a number of people with PhD's who are vaccine hesitant. Or maybe because they don't feel that selfish cop-haters should have any role in their personal health decisions.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/am...vid/ar-AANjRHh

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

Always in the wings ready to insult those with opinions that disrupt your ongoing narrative. Well here are some in return. Pointing out the sheer hypocrisy in the policies doesn't make someone an anti-illegal immigration zealot. That said, if you think thousands of unknown people pouring into the country (many dying and becoming the victims of traffickers) makes sound public policy even outside COVID, you probably have your head somewhere the sun doesn't shine and are living in the land of oz. But feel free to continue eating your wine and cheese while others die needlessly because we aren't doing what every other nation on earth does in enforcing borders. This sort of thing is certainly in line with your corporate suck-up attitudes and enhances the availability of cheap slave labor - just what they want.

One can be painfully aware of the continued disaster that is the southern US border, but also recognize that the ongoing sh__ stirring by the likes of Desantis or Abbott is pure right-wing theater.

A number of credible epidemiologist have suggested it’s largely theater given the low volume relative to local populations. Additionally, heath authorities (MDs) in Texas counties have stated the infection rates parallel those of the existing local populations suggesting at most these immigrants are contributing to the problem, but not furthering it.

It’s sleaze propaganda designed to detract away from the reality that politicizing a vaccine was a horrendous public health move.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

One can be painfully aware of the continued disaster that is the southern US border, but also recognize that the ongoing sh__ stirring by the likes of Desantis or Abbott is pure right-wing theater.

A number of credible epidemiologist have suggested it’s largely theater given the low volume relative to local populations. Additionally, heath authorities (MDs) in Texas counties have suggested the infection rates parallel those of the existing local populations suggesting at most these immigrants are contributing to the problem, but not furthering it.

It’s sleaze propaganda designed to detract away from the reality that politicizing a vaccine was a horrendous public health move.

Besides, it’s an astounding case of deflection. The immigration issue on the Texas border has nothing at all to do with the pathetic public health policy in the south politicizing vaccinations and steps to reduce the transmission rate. Personally, I’d like our immigration law to be enforced. It isn’t enforced because rich people want the cheap labor supply. If you deported everyone, you’d have to pay ‘Muricans $25/hour to pick lettuce. Restaurants would have to pay $30/hour for dishwashers.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

One can be painfully aware of the continued disaster that is the southern US border, but also recognize that the ongoing sh__ stirring by the likes of Desantis or Abbott is pure right-wing theater.

A number of credible epidemiologist have suggested it’s largely theater given the low volume relative to local populations. Additionally, heath authorities (MDs) in Texas counties have suggested the infection rates parallel those of the existing local populations suggesting at most these immigrants are contributing to the problem, but not furthering it.

It’s sleaze propaganda.

That's because they aren't staying around Texas.

https://nypost.com/2021/07/22/buses-...egal-migrants/

https://cis.org/Bensman/Mounting-Evi...erState-Spikes

If anybody is sh___ stirring it's you. Your problem here is that what I said had no connection with Desantis or Abbott, that's your red herring. What I said is connected to the ongoing hyperbole around ensuring that each and every individual is forced an inoculation. Why? Well, because it's absolutely necessary to end this pandemic, so they say. Except it seems pretty obvious that COVID has essentially become endemic. https://www.npr.org/2020/08/09/90049...hout-a-vaccine I really don't care what the arch nemeses in your opposition party are arguing. You can follow all that partisan bickering-- not interested. Despite the incessant push to force vaccinations on everyone, we continue to ignore the border. Not only is it hypocritical and compound the problem, it makes no sense from a public health, humanitarian, security, or ethical perspective and compounds many other problems.

We don't eradicate viruses, and those who believe we will are having pipe dreams. 80 percent of deaths have been in people over 80 years old or with serious underlying conditions. Had we been using risk management approaches rather than mindless hysteria we could (and probably still could) mitigate the problem more smartly. Border control is key to risk management on many fronts.


But it's more important to virtue signal and pretend you are smarter than all those with differing views.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

Besides, it’s an astounding case of deflection. The immigration issue on the Texas border has nothing at all to do with the pathetic public health policy in the south politicizing vaccinations and steps to reduce the transmission rate. Personally, I’d like our immigration law to be enforced. It isn’t enforced because rich people want the cheap labor supply. If you deported everyone, you’d have to pay ‘Muricans $25/hour to pick lettuce. Restaurants would have to pay $30/hour for dishwashers.

Deflection? Politicizing vaccines? This is what you do here daily, Mr. "civic duty." If anybody has contributed to vaccine hesitancy it's many of the people using your tactics.

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

That's because they aren't staying around Texas.

https://nypost.com/2021/07/22/buses-...egal-migrants/

https://cis.org/Bensman/Mounting-Evi...erState-Spikes

If anybody is sh___ stirring it's you. Your problem here is that what I said had no connection with Desantis or Abbott, that's your red herring. What I said is connected to the ongoing hyperbole around ensuring that each and every individual is forced an inoculation. Why? Well, because it's absolutely necessary to end this pandemic, so they say. Except it seems pretty obvious that COVID has essentially become endemic. https://www.npr.org/2020/08/09/90049...hout-a-vaccine I really don't care what the arch nemeses in your opposition party are arguing. You can follow all that partisan bickering-- not interested. Despite the incessant push to force vaccinations on everyone, we continue to ignore the border. Not only is it hypocritical and compound the problem, it makes no sense from a public health, humanitarian, security, or ethical perspective and compounds many other problems.

We don't eradicate viruses, and those who believe we will are having pipe dreams. 80 percent of deaths have been in people over 80 years old or with serious underlying conditions. Had we been using risk management approaches rather than mindless hysteria we could (and probably still could) mitigate the problem more smartly. Border control is key to risk management on many fronts.


But it's more important to virtue signal and pretend you are smarter than all those with differing views.

Posts link to a trash hearsay CIS article while trying to retain centrist ground. Bold move.

[mdovell]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

The median IQ for police nationally is 104 and their education level is really low. Why is it surprising that 20% don’t want to be vaccinated? It’s the Proud Boys demographic.

Uh no. In mass the Quinn bill easily provides incentives to obtain more education for police officers in mass. Not all pds are the same. Baton Rouge will take those with just high school and typing. Down south judges are elected and that hurts in following the law

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

Posts link to a trash hearsay CIS article while trying to retain centrist ground. Bold move.

But more substantive than this illogical poisoning the well response, and I tend to pay more attention to those on the ground doing the job than those in their basements watching CNN.

I'm not a "centrist" and really don't care what you think about my personal political philosophy, so have no desire to maintain anything other than seek practical and evidence-led solutions to problems consistent with the principles of of a democratic republic. I know that is decidedly at odds with a corporate-sponsored 'progressive' who demands sheep-think or nothing, but too bad.