Coronavirus in Massachusetts (place, summer, medicine)

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

The same shots where, with 88.3% of people in Massachusetts having had at least one dose, there is only a 2.6% decline in positive tests (7-day average), and an increase in Sars-Cov-2 in the wastewater, compared to a year ago, when virtually zero people had had a dose. Some standard. If one believes the shots to be effective, one must also believe that the factors working against them are absolutely massive (more so than a year ago). And one must also believe these factors simply aren't present for shots like MMR. If you're able to hold all these beliefs at the same time, to me, that's on the same level as believing Santa Claus comes down every chimney in the world on the same night.

At some point these factors supposedly working against the vaccines will be shown to be little more than excuses, and people will realize the shots just aren't very effective at stopping or even slowing spread of the virus.

It's not that the vaccines don't work; they do work, but they wear off. Only a small percentage of people are currently protected. Basically, only the people who have gotten the booster. The 88.3% figure that you're tossing around is meaningless. And you need to also understand that Delta spreads so much easier than the original strain.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by redplum33

It's not that the vaccines don't work; they do work, but they wear off. Only a small percentage of people are currently protected. Basically, only the people who have gotten the booster. The 88.3% figure that you're tossing around is meaningless. And you need to also understand that Delta spreads so much easier than the original strain.

Does Delta spread faster than measles? We don't make these excuses for the shots for measles.

"Wearing off" falls under the umbrella of "not working," so I stand by what I said. If you're saying it's "meaningless" to cite the number of people who have taken a shot, then surely you see how that calls the effectiveness of the shots into serious question.

[OutdoorLover]

Interesting report on Omicron in the US over at NPR. Right now it's still the clear minority of cases in the US, but in a few weeks, it may well be dominant:

"In the U.S., the percentage of cases caused by this new coronavirus variant jumped seven times in just a week, from 0.4% of the total cases sequenced to 2.9%, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates. And it's already causing about 13% of cases in a region that includes New York and New Jersey... The omicron variant multiplies about 70 times faster inside human respiratory tract tissue than the delta variant does, scientists at the University of Hong Kong report. The variant reaches also higher levels in the tissue, compared to delta, 48 hours after infection."

https://www.wbur.org/npr/1064597592/...ing-so-quickly

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by redplum33

It's not that the vaccines don't work; they do work, but they wear off. Only a small percentage of people are currently protected. Basically, only the people who have gotten the booster. The 88.3% figure that you're tossing around is meaningless. And you need to also understand that Delta spreads so much easier than the original strain.

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Does Delta spread faster than measles? We don't make these excuses for the shots for measles.

"Wearing off" falls under the umbrella of "not working," so I stand by what I said. If you're saying it's "meaningless" to cite the number of people who have taken a shot, then surely you see how that calls the effectiveness of the shots into serious question.

Respectfully, the arguments you're presenting show that you don't understand the basics.

I said: "And you need to also understand that Delta spreads so much easier than the original strain."

Your response: "Does Delta spread faster than measles? We don't make these excuses for the shots for measles."

Measles is irrelevant.

2020 covid (original strain) spread was generally from close contact for 15 minutes.

2021 covid (Delta) spread is generally from close contact for 5 or 6 seconds.

In terms of spread, you cannot treat them the same when making comparisons.

And, yes, the 88.3% figure is meaningless at this point. All that matters is the % that is currently protected. And that currently means 3 shots.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by redplum33

Respectfully, the arguments you're presenting show that you don't understand the basics.

I said: "And you need to also understand that Delta spreads so much easier than the original strain."

Your response: "Does Delta spread faster than measles? We don't make these excuses for the shots for measles."

Measles is irrelevant.

2020 covid (original strain) spread was generally from close contact for 15 minutes.

2021 covid (Delta) spread is generally from close contact for 5 or 6 seconds.

In terms of spread, you cannot treat them the same when making comparisons.

And, yes, the 88.3% figure is meaningless at this point. All that matters is the % that is currently protected. And that currently means 3 shots.

Does Delta spread faster than measles? Can you answer the damn question, or not?

I am under the assumption that the R for Delta is NOT higher than that of measles. Is that assumption wrong?

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Does Delta spread faster than measles? We don't make these excuses for the shots for measles.

We don't have to because everyone in the country gets an MMR vaccination before they enter kindergarten. If we vaccinated the whole country for COVID-19, the transmission rate would drop well below 1.0 and the disease would go away until the protection of the vaccine declined and people started dragging it in from overseas. The MMR vaccine has better longevity against measles and rubella than a flu shot or a COVID-19 shot. Flu shots generally work for 6 months.


Delta doesn't spread faster than measles. There is insufficient data about omicron. That may have a transmission similar to measles.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Does Delta spread faster than measles? Can you answer the damn question, or not?

I am under the assumption that the R for Delta is NOT higher than that of measles. Is that assumption wrong?

Again, it's irrelevant.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by redplum33

Again, it's irrelevant.

It's "irrelevant?" Question: have there been posters here trying to sell people on the Covid shots by referring to MMR and how, because an overwhelming majority of us have taken it, we don't normally see measles infections? Yes or no?

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

It's "irrelevant?" Question: have there been posters here trying to sell people on the Covid shots by referring to MMR and how, because an overwhelming majority of us of taken it, we don't normally see measles infections? Yes or no?

Dude, covid has nothing to do with measles.

Bottom line: Covid is dangerous. Is the vaccine perfect? No, but it is necessary if you don't want to get sick and/or get other people sick.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by redplum33

Dude, covid has nothing to do with measles.

Bottom line: Covid is dangerous. Is the vaccine perfect? No, but it is necessary if you don't want to get sick and/or get other people sick.

You're showing a pattern of refusing to answer very simple (and easy) questions. One more time, and then I'll let it go: have there been posters here trying to sell people on the Covid shots by referring to MMR and how, because an overwhelming majority of us have taken it, we don't normally see measles infections? Yes or no?