Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Florida: home, university, price)

[thebruiser500]

Originally Posted by redplum33

Again, it's irrelevant.

You are the one who is missing the point Tribecavsbrown is making

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

You're showing a pattern of refusing to answer very simple (and easy) questions. One more time, and then I'll let it go: have there been posters here trying to sell people on the Covid shots by referring to MMR and how, because an overwhelming majority of us have taken it, we don't normally see measles infections? Yes or no?

We don't when everyone is inoculated. We do see outbreaks when there is a segment that is not inoculated.

But its not relevant. All viruses are different, and all vaccines are different. Some I have to take boosters quite frequently, some I have to take less frequently. It's a non issue. Diseases are different, vaccines are different, a body's response to different diseases are different, a body's response to different vaccines are different.

It's being straight up moronic to try to compare and say a medicine, or a vaccine, or whatever doesn't work because another medicine or vaccine works differently with another disease. I mean, that's grade A idiocy.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by mdovell

Right but what's the recourse? Thoughts and prayers? Look no vaccines are perfect but we're talking about a global strategy. This isn't like pinning the Iraq was on the US. If we want fewer variants this is the only long term solution.

You aren't making a logical argument.

It's quite logical, actually. There are other options (that are not mutually exclusive). What is illogical is your implication that imperfect vaccines alone will stop variants. They won't, so your sole reliance on this is quite puzzling.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by timberline742

We don't when everyone is inoculated. We do see outbreaks when there is a segment that is not inoculated.

But its not relevant. All viruses are different, and all vaccines are different. Some I have to take boosters quite frequently, some I have to take less frequently. It's a non issue. Diseases are different, vaccines are different, a body's response to different diseases are different, a body's response to different vaccines are different.

It's being straight up moronic to try to compare and say a medicine, or a vaccine, or whatever doesn't work because another medicine or vaccine works differently with another disease. I mean, that's grade A idiocy.

Is it "straight up moronic" to say/imply Covid shots do work because other shots (which work differently) work? Because I see that all the time on here.

[CaseyB]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Is it "straight up moronic" to say/imply Covid shots do work because other shots (which work differently) work? Because I see that all the time on here.

They can't work the same because one is a real "vaccine" as we understand the definition and one is not.

With the covid injection, you can still get the disease and still spread it, but the symptoms should be milder and not require hospitalization.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Is it "straight up moronic" to say/imply Covid shots do work because other shots (which work differently) work? Because I see that all the time on here.

I've not seen that. I've seen covid shots working because the data, from trials and in real life roll out, have been shown to work through multiple multiple studies. Replication is a key component of the scientific method, and this find has been repeated over and over and over.

Originally Posted by CaseyB

They can't work the same because one is a real "vaccine" as we understand the definition and one is not. .

I have no idea how this fake news gets tossed around. The mRNA vaccines meet the 2020 definition of vaccine, the 2010, 2000, and heck 1950s definition.

Heck, just look at the 2017 definition here, pre covid:

"Vaccines are substances that prepare the immune system to fight a disease-causing germ or other pathogen by imitating an infection. They trick the immune system into making a “memory” of that germ without ever having to fight the real germ in the first place."

Exactly what covid vaccines do. It is a vaccine. A "real vaccine". How it was produced was different than in the past, but that makes it no less real and no less fitting the definition.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by timberline742

I've not seen that. I've seen covid shots working because the data, from trials and in real life roll out, have been shown to work through multiple multiple studies. Replication is a key component of the scientific method, and this find has been repeated over and over and over.



I have no idea how this fake news gets tossed around. The mRNA vaccines meet the 2020 definition of vaccine, the 2010, 2000, and heck 1950s definition.

Heck, just look at the 2017 definition here, pre covid:

"Vaccines are substances that prepare the immune system to fight a disease-causing germ or other pathogen by imitating an infection. They trick the immune system into making a “memory” of that germ without ever having to fight the real germ in the first place."

Exactly what covid vaccines do. It is a vaccine. A "real vaccine". How it was produced was different than in the past, but that makes it no less real and no less fitting the definition.

OK. So is your position that you have seen at least one post that claims or implies the Covid shots are ineffective compared to other shots, and you have not seen any posts that claim or imply the effectiveness of the Covid shots should be unquestioned because of the effectiveness of other shots? If so, you somehow missed posts 15356, 15334, 15321, 15324, and 15326.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

You're showing a pattern of refusing to answer very simple (and easy) questions. One more time, and then I'll let it go: have there been posters here trying to sell people on the Covid shots by referring to MMR and how, because an overwhelming majority of us have taken it, we don't normally see measles infections? Yes or no?

I haven't made any comments about measles. Direct your questions to the posters who have.

Originally Posted by thebruiser500

You are the one who is missing the point Tribecavsbrown is making

Correct, I am missing his point.

[msRB311]

Seems like the vaccines everyone got last spring/summer are wearing off as this covid wave is happening. Not everyone rushed out to get the booster. I know quite a few people who have covid over the past few weeks who were vaccinated. Not sure on whether they were all boosted but I can see where they’d be annoyed at just getting double vaxxed 6 months ago and still got the thing they were hoping to avoid getting.

My work has now made boosters mandatory.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by redplum33

I haven't made any comments about measles. Direct your questions to the posters who have.





Correct, I am missing his point.

The point is: the gold standard for immunity that's being floated is to be current on your Covid shots, but the record of the Covid shots speaks for itself: 88.3% of your state has had at least one shot, many have had three or more shots, you have people wearing masks and doing all this other crap, and you still have Covid all over the place, so it is risible to continue to say that we can get past this if everyone takes their shots. Where is the straight line you can draw, using facts and logic, from our current situation to a measles-like resolution, where a bug inherently more contagious than Covid was controlled with most people taking a one-time set of two shots and without any mitigation efforts that wormed their way into daily life? It isn't there.