Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Boston, Springfield, New Bedford: preparation, transplants, tenant)

[mp775]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

What test can determine if you have delta and not the old variants?

A standard COVID test. Each variant is a different composition, primarily in the spike proteins.

Omega will be next it's all planned.

No, variants are up to lambda, so mu will be next. Yes, the Greek alphabet was planned a long time ago.

[mp775]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

The vaccinated are getting sick and dying just like the unvaxxed.

No, the vaccinated are, to a small extent, getting mildly sick. The unvaccinated are still getting severely sick, hospitalized, and dying. Some vaccinated individuals do not seroconvert and are effectively unvaccinated, so the unvaccinated could really help their chances by getting vaccinated.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

I don't use Facebook. I don't believe the microchips happened yet. What is happening in France is no joke. You can't go into anyplace of business without a vaccine passport.

In your link the CDC is being dishonest. It says when a virus mutates it causes more severe disease which in most cases this is not true. Everyone knows when viruses mutate Ussualy they become less deadly over time. Could it cause a more deadly strain yes but the majority of times it gets weaker.

France is where they shut down the country with tractors. In the US, they just invade the capital building once in a while. Amateurs.

[mp775]

Originally Posted by msRB311

It seems like the delta variant already is quite hyped up.

The delta variant is "hyped up" because it's the one that is super-contagious and is causing a spike in cases.

[jayrandom]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

The vaccinated are getting sick and dying just like the unvaxxed.

This is the horseshoe theory in action, where the rapidl anti-vaxx disinformation meets the panic-stricken disinformation and they both agree that the vaccine is useless at best and probably dangerous. It isn't. It is BY FAR the best weapon (besides perhaps time) against a virus.

There is evidence that vaccines are just about as effective against protecting from infection by the Delta variant; there are conflicting reports that the vaccine is less effective against the Delta variant. All available evidence agrees that the vaccine IS EFFECTIVE AT PREVENTING SERIOUS ILLNESS AND DEATH.

There is some evidence that unvaccinated people who suffer a mild case of COVID can have long-term side-effects. A recent study suggest as many as 14% could suffer some long-term effect. It should be added that some of the applicable conditions include fatigue and difficulty concentrating, two conditions that I would self-report despite never having had COVID. There is no evidence that long COVID affects the vaccinated. Of course, absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, as anyone who is or wants others to be constantly panicked will remind you. There is, however, some evidence that vaccines reduce the impact of long COVID.

Risk-tolerance and activity level varies among people, so perfectly rational people will look at the available evidence and make drastically different choices. That's true of COVID, of driving, of flying, or really anything. Some people are willing to exchange the relatively low risk of COVID infection for the reward of not having to wear a mask, or being able to send their kids to school, or even going to a restaurant to eat. Whatever that risk was before, it is significantly lower with vaccination. Others, even vaccinated, either don't mind the mask, or don't have kids that they feel should be in school, or don't like going out to eat and will choose not to.

To make a long story short, yes, the vaccine will help you. No, it may not outright prevent you from being infected, but it significantly reduces both the likelihood and severity of infection. On the scale of how effective vaccines are, even against the delta variant, masks are in the noise. If you can, get vaccinated. If that's not enough and you can, stay away from other people. Possibly forever.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by massnative71

In a sense I would be OK if they cut back benefits for those who engaged in many unhealthy behaviors (most serious illness is somewhat preventable), but that's illegal. And thing is, where do you draw the line?

That ship has sailed years ago. My previous employer made us (the employee & covered spouse) take a biometric scan, or else get slapped with a $1500 surcharge (apiece) on health insurance. After I left, I heard it got even more onerous, with premiums charged for smokers and high cholesterol levels. I doubt this was illegal, it's a Fortune 100 company.

Doing something similar for the Covid vaccine seems to me to be even more cut & dry, given its efficacy at preventing hospitalization.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

The vaccinated are getting sick and dying just like the unvaxxed.

Utter BS. Sorry, no other elegant way to put it.

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by mp775

No, the vaccinated are, to a small extent, getting mildly sick. The unvaccinated are still getting severely sick, hospitalized, and dying. Some vaccinated individuals do not seroconvert and are effectively unvaccinated, so the unvaccinated could really help their chances by getting vaccinated.

Wrong the vaccinated are dying of covid.....https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local...-died/2435719/

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by mp775

No, the vaccinated are, to a small extent, getting mildly sick. The unvaccinated are still getting severely sick, hospitalized, and dying. Some vaccinated individuals do not seroconvert and are effectively unvaccinated, so the unvaccinated could really help their chances by getting vaccinated.

The vaccinated are dying. It is known in the UK and here in Massachusetts.... https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local...-died/2435719/

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

Utter BS. Sorry, no other elegant way to put it.

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local...-died/2435719/