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The Moors were black. This is why Spanish people get 2-5% African in DNA tests. Far more than any other Europeans.
The figure you quote is misleading and doesn't support your theory that the Moors were black, I will explain. The 2-5% represents Sub-Saharan Maternal African lineages(MtDna) which are found in Iberian populations not paternal sub-Saharan African lineages which means to be accurate the figure is actually at most 1-2.5%. This indicates the black African women did contribute some to the Iberian gene pool but not black men there is no dispute all scientific academic studies on genetics show that. As I have already posted thousands of paternal Y-Dna lineages have been tested in the Iberian peninsula and a total of three have origins in Sub-Saharan Africa two of the samples were found in the same isolated village. Now regarding your 2-5% figure, you have made a serious error due to your poor understanding of genetics. I repeat let us assume that your figure is correct for arguments sake it would indicate that 2-5% of maternal lineages found in Spaniards have origins in Sub-Saharan Africa which would mean at most 1-2.5% of aDna(autsomal) total Dna found in Spaniards is of Sub-Saharan African origins. The Sub-Saharan African Dna to the Iberian peninsula from paternal lineages(men) is almost nil completely insignificant. Now it would be completely foolish to attribute that 1-2.5% to the Moors, one must consider that North Africa and the Iberian peninsula have been sharing some Dna for thousands of years it is completely reasonable to assume that some of that contribution is from ancient migrations, the Romans also practiced slavery and brought slaves to the Iberian peninsula. Academic research however points to the slave trade after the 15th century is the source of the majority of those Sub-Saharan African maternal lineages. The 2-5% you quoted is not evidence that the Moors were black. Lol.
The Renaissance happened through Italy re-discovering classical Greek and Roman sources, mostly though the Catholic Church and its monastic outposts. Most of what this article is claiming as Spanish via the Moors is actually Greco-Roman via Italy.
And again, the Moors weren't exclusively or even largely black, so the title of the article is drivel as well.
In layman's terms, you're saying that the Hotep people are full of it.
Hmmm so first off thought Africa was originally named Ham or Kush? Second very interesting to find that Africans or blacks were the first slave owners. 700 hundred years of slavery would foster some bad emotions I suspect
There should be NO debate nor discussion that the Moors were indeed black people! You people who are saying the Moors were whites are extremely prejudice and are delusional to historic facts and has some Euro-centric biasness to you and this is what pisses me off. Stop being ignorant to REAL history especially when that history is right in front of your face and the funny thing is, I bet the people who say the Moors were not black are people of European descent!
The word Moor originates from the Roman word Marues, which is a derivate of the Greek adjective "Mauros" (black or dark). In the year 46 BC the Romans army entered Northwest Africa where they encountered black Africans whom they called "Maures." During the European Renaissance explorers, writers and other scholars began to apply the term "Moor" to Africans in general. The term "Berber" was only used for ONE group of Moors and that may have derived from a Latin corruption of one of the ethnic names of the indigenous nations of Northwest Africa although some argue it applies to Barbarians!
The original Berbers/Moors were Black Africans who spread from East Africa to Libya and Northwest Africa in the Pre-historic Ages. These people were the founders of various cultures which relics litter caves in the Sahara Desert. They have continuously occupied the central Sahara for more than 40,000 years. Their language Tamazight and its various dialects are recognized as a branch of the Afro-Asiatic phylum of African languages. (Yosef A. ben-Jochannan, Africa: Mother of Western Civilization). Over the course of time, due to the prosperity of the coastal of North Africa, many different nations migrated there, acculturated and assimilated with the indigenous Berber/Moor population creating somewhat diverse population. Nonetheless, the bulk of the population consisted of the indigenous Black Moorish groups of the central Sahara more accurately represented by the Tuareg people of Libya, Morocco, Mauritania, Mali, Nigeria and Senegal.
In his book The Destruction of Black Civilization, Chancellor Williams declared that Libya was once so nearly all-black that to be called a Libyan meant that one was Black. (See Chancellor Williams, The Destruction of Black Civilization p. 112). Herodotus (the Greek historian), writing about Libya in his Histories, (Book Four) stated as follows: One thing I can add about this country: so far as one knows, it is inhabited by four races, and four only, of which two are indigenous and two are not. The indigenous peoples are the Libyans and Ethiopians, the former occupying the northerly and the latter the more southerly parts; the immigrants are the Phoenicians and the Greeks. The Garamanti Empire was a Black Berber empire that flourished in Fezzan, Southern Libya. It was a contemporary of the Roman Empire and was a great challenge to the Rome since it never came under the Roman but rather remained independent until the 7th century C.E when it declined most probably as a result of environmental changes. Scholars reckon that the Garamanti Empire lasted for about 1,000 years, from about 400 BCE to 600 CE, in today's central Libya (Fezzan), although Fezzan has been continuously occupied by early culture societies as early as the 8th millennium B.C.E. The Fezzan region touches the Libyan coastal zone in the north, the Libyan Desert in the east, the Tibesti massif of Chad to the south, and the Hoggar massif along with the Grand Erg Oriental of Algeria to the west. This range is the traditional range of the nomadic Black Berbers who still live in the territory even today.
Numidia was another great Black Berber nation in Northern Algeria during the time of the Romans. The kingdom existed between the 3rd to the 1st century B.C and it consisted mostly Black Africans. One of the most famous Berber/Moors of the Roman times was Masinissa the king of Numidia (238-148 BCE) who assisted the Romans against the Carthegians during the Punic wars. The coin depictions and statutes of king Masinissa confirm without doubt, that this great Berber leader, the king of the Moors was phenotypically a Black African man with wooly hair (similar to the West African type). Syphax, king of the Masaeisylians in Numidia, a contemporary and great rival of king Masanissa, was also depicted in his coinage as a phenotypically Black African.
Silius Italicus a Roman writer around the beginning of the Christian era describes the Maures as Nigra a Latin work for dark complexion. Other Roman documents referenced other Berbers groups such as the "black Gaetuli and black-skinned Asphodelodes." Procopius a 6th Century Byzantine historian, says the Moors (Maurusioi) were a people composed of dark-skinned tribes who had gained domination over all of North Africa after the decline of the Vandals who had gained control of the region briefly following the fall of Rome. The founder of the African dynasty of Roman Emperors (the Severan Dynasty) Septimus Severus was a Black Berber lawyer from the then Roman colonized territory of Mauretania. His statues and coin images depict him as a phenotypical Blackman of the sub-saharan (if ever such a term were valid) type. Anthropologists and historians generally agree pointed out that Black African nationalities such as the Tibbu and Tuwarek (Tuaregs), are the aboriginal Berber tribes of the central Sahara. They include the Lamta Berbers, and the Haratin of Morocco and Mauritania.
Moorish troops from Nigeria and Senegal played an important part in the Moorish conquest of Spain especially under Abderrahman I. (757-787), who founded the independent kingdom of Cordova. A later Moorish leader who conquered and took over the Caliphate did so with the aid of “a great number of Black Africans soldiers from whom he formed a redoubtable regiment of cavalry in 1016. See Troupes noires. Revue de Paris, pp. 61-80 July 1909.
THE MOORISH EMPIRE WAS AN "EMPIRE" IT DID NOT ONLY RESTRICT TO MOROCCO DAMN NEAR EVERY AFRICA-AMERICAN HAVE MOORISH BLOOD!!!!!! FACTS!
There should be NO debate nor discussion that the Moors were indeed black people! You people who are saying the Moors were whites are extremely prejudice and are delusional to historic facts and has some Euro-centric biasness to you and this is what pisses me off. Stop being ignorant to REAL history especially when that history is right in front of your face and the funny thing is, I bet the people who say the Moors were not black are people of European descent!
The word Moor originates from the Roman word Marues, which is a derivate of the Greek adjective "Mauros" (black or dark). In the year 46 BC the Romans army entered Northwest Africa where they encountered black Africans whom they called "Maures." During the European Renaissance explorers, writers and other scholars began to apply the term "Moor" to Africans in general. The term "Berber" was only used for ONE group of Moors and that may have derived from a Latin corruption of one of the ethnic names of the indigenous nations of Northwest Africa although some argue it applies to Barbarians!
The original Berbers/Moors were Black Africans who spread from East Africa to Libya and Northwest Africa in the Pre-historic Ages. These people were the founders of various cultures which relics litter caves in the Sahara Desert. They have continuously occupied the central Sahara for more than 40,000 years. Their language Tamazight and its various dialects are recognized as a branch of the Afro-Asiatic phylum of African languages. (Yosef A. ben-Jochannan, Africa: Mother of Western Civilization). Over the course of time, due to the prosperity of the coastal of North Africa, many different nations migrated there, acculturated and assimilated with the indigenous Berber/Moor population creating somewhat diverse population. Nonetheless, the bulk of the population consisted of the indigenous Black Moorish groups of the central Sahara more accurately represented by the Tuareg people of Libya, Morocco, Mauritania, Mali, Nigeria and Senegal.
In his book The Destruction of Black Civilization, Chancellor Williams declared that Libya was once so nearly all-black that to be called a Libyan meant that one was Black. (See Chancellor Williams, The Destruction of Black Civilization p. 112). Herodotus (the Greek historian), writing about Libya in his Histories, (Book Four) stated as follows: One thing I can add about this country: so far as one knows, it is inhabited by four races, and four only, of which two are indigenous and two are not. The indigenous peoples are the Libyans and Ethiopians, the former occupying the northerly and the latter the more southerly parts; the immigrants are the Phoenicians and the Greeks. The Garamanti Empire was a Black Berber empire that flourished in Fezzan, Southern Libya. It was a contemporary of the Roman Empire and was a great challenge to the Rome since it never came under the Roman but rather remained independent until the 7th century C.E when it declined most probably as a result of environmental changes. Scholars reckon that the Garamanti Empire lasted for about 1,000 years, from about 400 BCE to 600 CE, in today's central Libya (Fezzan), although Fezzan has been continuously occupied by early culture societies as early as the 8th millennium B.C.E. The Fezzan region touches the Libyan coastal zone in the north, the Libyan Desert in the east, the Tibesti massif of Chad to the south, and the Hoggar massif along with the Grand Erg Oriental of Algeria to the west. This range is the traditional range of the nomadic Black Berbers who still live in the territory even today.
Numidia was another great Black Berber nation in Northern Algeria during the time of the Romans. The kingdom existed between the 3rd to the 1st century B.C and it consisted mostly Black Africans. One of the most famous Berber/Moors of the Roman times was Masinissa the king of Numidia (238-148 BCE) who assisted the Romans against the Carthegians during the Punic wars. The coin depictions and statutes of king Masinissa confirm without doubt, that this great Berber leader, the king of the Moors was phenotypically a Black African man with wooly hair (similar to the West African type). Syphax, king of the Masaeisylians in Numidia, a contemporary and great rival of king Masanissa, was also depicted in his coinage as a phenotypically Black African.
Silius Italicus a Roman writer around the beginning of the Christian era describes the Maures as Nigra a Latin work for dark complexion. Other Roman documents referenced other Berbers groups such as the "black Gaetuli and black-skinned Asphodelodes." Procopius a 6th Century Byzantine historian, says the Moors (Maurusioi) were a people composed of dark-skinned tribes who had gained domination over all of North Africa after the decline of the Vandals who had gained control of the region briefly following the fall of Rome. The founder of the African dynasty of Roman Emperors (the Severan Dynasty) Septimus Severus was a Black Berber lawyer from the then Roman colonized territory of Mauretania. His statues and coin images depict him as a phenotypical Blackman of the sub-saharan (if ever such a term were valid) type. Anthropologists and historians generally agree pointed out that Black African nationalities such as the Tibbu and Tuwarek (Tuaregs), are the aboriginal Berber tribes of the central Sahara. They include the Lamta Berbers, and the Haratin of Morocco and Mauritania.
Moorish troops from Nigeria and Senegal played an important part in the Moorish conquest of Spain especially under Abderrahman I. (757-787), who founded the independent kingdom of Cordova. A later Moorish leader who conquered and took over the Caliphate did so with the aid of “a great number of Black Africans soldiers from whom he formed a redoubtable regiment of cavalry in 1016. See Troupes noires. Revue de Paris, pp. 61-80 July 1909.
THE MOORISH EMPIRE WAS AN "EMPIRE" IT DID NOT ONLY RESTRICT TO MOROCCO DAMN NEAR EVERY AFRICA-AMERICAN HAVE MOORISH BLOOD!!!!!! FACTS!
MOORISH STATUE
We have posted on this and other threads any number of pictures that show white Moors. They came in many shades. The hyperbole is just sad.
As for Severus, he came from a trasplanted Italian family. He wasn't even the darnekst man that contended for Emperor, as one of his opponents was known as "Niger." You believe in Afrocentric fantasies.
African Americans have nothing whatsoever to do with the Moors.
There should be NO debate nor discussion that the Moors were indeed black people! You people who are saying the Moors were whites are extremely prejudice and are delusional to historic facts and has some Euro-centric biasness to you and this is what pisses me off. Stop being ignorant to REAL history especially when that history is right in front of your face and the funny thing is, I bet the people who say the Moors were not black are people of European descent!
The word Moor originates from the Roman word Marues, which is a derivate of the Greek adjective "Mauros" (black or dark). In the year 46 BC the Romans army entered Northwest Africa where they encountered black Africans whom they called "Maures." During the European Renaissance explorers, writers and other scholars began to apply the term "Moor" to Africans in general. The term "Berber" was only used for ONE group of Moors and that may have derived from a Latin corruption of one of the ethnic names of the indigenous nations of Northwest Africa although some argue it applies to Barbarians!
The original Berbers/Moors were Black Africans who spread from East Africa to Libya and Northwest Africa in the Pre-historic Ages. These people were the founders of various cultures which relics litter caves in the Sahara Desert. They have continuously occupied the central Sahara for more than 40,000 years. Their language Tamazight and its various dialects are recognized as a branch of the Afro-Asiatic phylum of African languages. (Yosef A. ben-Jochannan, Africa: Mother of Western Civilization). Over the course of time, due to the prosperity of the coastal of North Africa, many different nations migrated there, acculturated and assimilated with the indigenous Berber/Moor population creating somewhat diverse population. Nonetheless, the bulk of the population consisted of the indigenous Black Moorish groups of the central Sahara more accurately represented by the Tuareg people of Libya, Morocco, Mauritania, Mali, Nigeria and Senegal.
In his book The Destruction of Black Civilization, Chancellor Williams declared that Libya was once so nearly all-black that to be called a Libyan meant that one was Black. (See Chancellor Williams, The Destruction of Black Civilization p. 112). Herodotus (the Greek historian), writing about Libya in his Histories, (Book Four) stated as follows: One thing I can add about this country: so far as one knows, it is inhabited by four races, and four only, of which two are indigenous and two are not. The indigenous peoples are the Libyans and Ethiopians, the former occupying the northerly and the latter the more southerly parts; the immigrants are the Phoenicians and the Greeks. The Garamanti Empire was a Black Berber empire that flourished in Fezzan, Southern Libya. It was a contemporary of the Roman Empire and was a great challenge to the Rome since it never came under the Roman but rather remained independent until the 7th century C.E when it declined most probably as a result of environmental changes. Scholars reckon that the Garamanti Empire lasted for about 1,000 years, from about 400 BCE to 600 CE, in today's central Libya (Fezzan), although Fezzan has been continuously occupied by early culture societies as early as the 8th millennium B.C.E. The Fezzan region touches the Libyan coastal zone in the north, the Libyan Desert in the east, the Tibesti massif of Chad to the south, and the Hoggar massif along with the Grand Erg Oriental of Algeria to the west. This range is the traditional range of the nomadic Black Berbers who still live in the territory even today.
Numidia was another great Black Berber nation in Northern Algeria during the time of the Romans. The kingdom existed between the 3rd to the 1st century B.C and it consisted mostly Black Africans. One of the most famous Berber/Moors of the Roman times was Masinissa the king of Numidia (238-148 BCE) who assisted the Romans against the Carthegians during the Punic wars. The coin depictions and statutes of king Masinissa confirm without doubt, that this great Berber leader, the king of the Moors was phenotypically a Black African man with wooly hair (similar to the West African type). Syphax, king of the Masaeisylians in Numidia, a contemporary and great rival of king Masanissa, was also depicted in his coinage as a phenotypically Black African.
Silius Italicus a Roman writer around the beginning of the Christian era describes the Maures as Nigra a Latin work for dark complexion. Other Roman documents referenced other Berbers groups such as the "black Gaetuli and black-skinned Asphodelodes." Procopius a 6th Century Byzantine historian, says the Moors (Maurusioi) were a people composed of dark-skinned tribes who had gained domination over all of North Africa after the decline of the Vandals who had gained control of the region briefly following the fall of Rome. The founder of the African dynasty of Roman Emperors (the Severan Dynasty) Septimus Severus was a Black Berber lawyer from the then Roman colonized territory of Mauretania. His statues and coin images depict him as a phenotypical Blackman of the sub-saharan (if ever such a term were valid) type. Anthropologists and historians generally agree pointed out that Black African nationalities such as the Tibbu and Tuwarek (Tuaregs), are the aboriginal Berber tribes of the central Sahara. They include the Lamta Berbers, and the Haratin of Morocco and Mauritania.
Moorish troops from Nigeria and Senegal played an important part in the Moorish conquest of Spain especially under Abderrahman I. (757-787), who founded the independent kingdom of Cordova. A later Moorish leader who conquered and took over the Caliphate did so with the aid of “a great number of Black Africans soldiers from whom he formed a redoubtable regiment of cavalry in 1016. See Troupes noires. Revue de Paris, pp. 61-80 July 1909.
THE MOORISH EMPIRE WAS AN "EMPIRE" IT DID NOT ONLY RESTRICT TO MOROCCO DAMN NEAR EVERY AFRICA-AMERICAN HAVE MOORISH BLOOD!!!!!! FACTS!
MOORISH STATUE
So there should be no debate whether the Moors were black or not and it pisses you off because some people don't believe they were and obviously those people must be extremely prejudiced and ignorant because they don't agree with you seriously grow and and mature! Your acting like a spoiled brat!
Maybe off topic, but I reckon there are much more than expected Brits that would have part- black DNA, and I don't mean Sahara DNA, I mean sub-Saharan. I was surprised how many African servants there were in England and Wales going back to the 1500`s, especially in Bristol ( West England), obviously Liverpool, London and , some had trades. This would be before any American connection. Britain was the first western country to abolish slavery, and a reason they would not side with the Southern States ( even though we are ethnically the same), was because many in government at the time had black servants and did not view them as animals ( as in the South, at the time. And I must add in the North as well, in New York and Boston, where many blacks, even up to 1870 were routinely strung up. A situation the British found abhorent). I`m not saying blacks in Bristol ( Glouc), in say 1670 had a great life, but they were free ( though economically tied). I know some Americans have this DNA, and if they sailed from Bristol who knows? If you look at footballer Ryan Giggs, half Welsh, half English ( 100% British), he is mixed race but looks Celtic.
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