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If you knew anything about England, the English people, their history. You would know that hair color varies from regions which were traditionally chiefly settled by Anglo-Saxons, Danish and Norwegian Vikings which are usually more blonde than those in the west facing Wales, Ireland or in Cornwall which were more Celtic or pre-Germanic. This is why areas such as central England are still undistinguishable to Friesland, a good proof of an Anglo-Saxon presence. Centuries ago in England very dark-haired people were usually stereotyped them as Cornish, Welsh, Scottish highlanders and finally Irish. England is obviously blonder, lighter-eyed than France, even Scotland, Wales and Ireland are still blonder than France. On the other hand, red hair is more common in regions which remained more Celtic/pre-Germanic nearer Wales and Scotland, regions where Norwegian Vikings settled strongly in northern England. Today, people have moved around quite a lot, therefore it would be harder. Scandinavian nations are the blondest-haired regions of Europe anyway with Finland and Sweden as lightest, Estonia is about as light. The Netherlands varies as well, in regions which were the traditional homeland of Frisians and Saxons, Friesland, Groningen, Drenthe, Overijsel are blonder than regions where the Franks were more dominant and the Celts/Belgae in for example , South Holland,Zeeland, North Brabant as the darkest. Germany of course varies a lot from north to central to south progressively, the north where Saxons lived in Schleswig-Holstein, Lower Saxony, Hamburg,Bremen, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern are blonder than Central Germany which in turn are blonder than the south. The stereotype of Germans being 'blonde and blue-eyed' is derived from those regions in the very north where it was more frequent, this was used in propaganda for racialism with Gobineau, etc... In both the Netherlands and Germany, red hair is commonest in the same region where blonde hair is frequent, that differs with Britain.
Well brits are darker than many groups in europe not only Scandinavians, dutch and germans. Poles, Czech, Urkanians and obviously baltic people are overall blonder than brits. The russian ethnic slavs are also overall blonder than ethnic brits, few adult in britain remain as blonde after puberty, and not even all of them are blonde as kids, just look at harry potter.
By the way I dont think the stereotype of blonde germans are derived from northern germans. its mainly because Germans are the blondest country out of the big european countries, hence they get often stereotyped as blonde, even if brown and darker shades are as common. Also the stereotypes often come from the media, and the Media is much owned by Anglosphere countries, mainly the US but also the UK, and from an american and british perspective the germans are blond, because they are on average blonder than your average joe in the UK and the US.
You were trying to downplay the significance of red hair in the English population. It's quite significant, since it is much higher than most European nations including Scandinavian ones. It's a much more significant genetic marker which distinguishes the English and British as a whole from other Northern Europeans, it is linked to their generally light-complexion which sets them apart from Central and Southern Europeans. The English/British were usually stereotyped as very pale people who don't usually tan, it doesn't mean they all don't. Don't confuse yourself. The red hair map of England based on a study done on army recruits in the 1950's. Even the Chinese people, which European groups have the most red hair and you don't.
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You were trying to downplay the significance of red hair in the English population. It's quite significant, since it is much higher than most European nations including Scandinavian ones. It's a much more significant genetic marker which distinguishes the English and British as a whole from other Northern Europeans, it is linked to their generally light-complexion which sets them apart from Central and Southern Europeans. The English/British were usually stereotyped as very pale people who don't usually tan, it doesn't mean they all don't. Don't confuse yourself. The red hair map of England based on a study done on army recruits in the 1950's. Even the Chinese people, which European groups have the most red hair and you don't.
How are you sure they only count copper red hair as red and not reddish brown ?
If the english were so germanic then why the bulk of british population look so different from scandinavians, dutch or germans?
Germanic is not a race but a linguistic-cultural concept! even if that is hard to understand for some race-obsesed people...
also, "Germanic" do not equates "nordic-looking", nor being fully descendant of Scandinavians.
Germans (especially southern Germans) are still fully germanic but are far to all descend from the "original Germanics" from Scandinavia, bit rather from people who were originally celts before being linguistically Germanized.
British are not an expection among the germanic world. Austrian and German speaking swiss are even more likely to hve less nordic looking people than Britain.
Well brits are darker than many groups in europe not only Scandinavians, dutch and germans. Poles, Czech, Urkanians and obviously baltic people are overall blonder than brits. The russian ethnic slavs are also overall blonder than ethnic brits, few adult in britain remain as blonde after puberty, and not even all of them are blonde as kids, just look at harry potter.
By the way I dont think the stereotype of blonde germans are derived from northern germans. its mainly because Germans are the blondest country out of the big european countries, hence they get often stereotyped as blonde, even if brown and darker shades are as common. Also the stereotypes often come from the media, and the Media is much owned by Anglosphere countries, mainly the US but also the UK, and from an american and british perspective the germans are blond, because they are on average blonder than your average joe in the UK and the US.
Nonsense, Poles, Ukrainians, Russians are not blonder than the Brits, they vary much more. Some Russians are blonde/light brown-haired, blue-eyed, pale-complected 'Anglo-Saxon' looking, while others in the south are swarthy-skinned, dark-haired and -eyed as Italians, others looking like a Caucasoid-Mongoloid mix with the slanted eye shapes the Uralic/Hunnish people of the far-north and east. Ukrainians are like Russians, but have even more swarthy people by the Black Sea. No way, Eastern Europeans are way too diverse.Plenty of Eastern European women bleach their hair too. Polish of the north are blonde, blue-eyed frequently while those in the south are brunette in hair, eye and skin color. Baltic nations especially Estonians and Latvians are Northern Europeans first of all, not so different from at least Denmark, but have more Uralic features. Lithuanians and Belarussians are those with the least Uralic features, their blonde colouring is similar to the Brits. Slavs range from those blonde Russians to brunette Serbians. You have exaggerated. There are plenty of Eastern European immigrants workers at my jobs, they're definitely not blonder than those of British/Irish descent. Not all stereotypes come from the media, be a little smart for once, the media can re-enforce a stereotype which already exists. For example the Germanic stereotype of blonde, blue-eyed person, while the blondest nation is a Finnic-speaking one. Finland is blonder than both Norway and Sweden. That stereotypes started with Gobineau, the Prussians,etc... The average British Isles adult person has a pale/ruddy skin complexion usually lighter than average and in many cases freckled, usually light eyes, light/medium brown hair, have exclusively western European Caucasoid features. The average Dutch is quite similar in most aspects, with less freckled complexion, more light brown hair. The only reason people might think British are dark, is because there's much more of them in the media than other Europeans by far. However, when studies are done accurately, when individuals are compared on equal scale, they 're definitely not dark as a whole. the GWAS studies in 2012 comparing four European countries Ireland, Italy, Poland and Portugal in pigmentation of hair, eye and skin colors, found the Irish group to be the lightest in all aspects. Another one comparing British and Scandinavians found the British and Irish to actually tan less than Scandinavians who were blonder-haired. Many Irish women buy fake tans, actually statistics show that a third of British women use fake tans. You only say that they bleach their hair, OK I get it now.
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