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Yes...I noted this board.
I wouldn't know about the subforums...I rarely go to any of those.
Though I would if there was one for my Religion (Pantheism).
Even that is wrong. The sacred circle thread is longer than this one, and it really doesn't matter. This one would be considerably shorter if we hadn't merged two threads together.
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I like Mystic's even better than this one, and I don't much like Mystic's either...
To bastardize atheism like you do is difficult for an atheist and/or anyone who understands that atheists don't think about, blame or associate a god with anything! Let alone how screwed up the world is. Best I can do to fix your proposed title is as follows; "Rejection of an Evil God Who Still Bears Responsibility for How Screwed Up the World is."
Why drag atheists into this silly want to pin responsibility on anyone or anything but ourselves?
Because I believe atheism can be expressed by just cutting gods out of your life and living it as though nothing supernatural or spiritual touches it, even if you happen to acknowledge the possibility one may exist. In short I refuse to be bound by your narrow scope of interpretation of the term, "atheist." That's the way I live my life now--I live without any thought or expectation that a God will intervene in my life in any way and I don't make any motions to try to make contact with this entity. That still doesn't dismiss my belief that whatever higher power created this world still owes us at the least some evidence it exists even if it's going to stubbornly refuse to touch us in any way.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD In my view, God is only interested in our development as Spirit, NOT our physical lives,
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Well, okay let's go with your premise, Mystic--that God is only interested in our spiritual development. Please explain to me how did the 19 children who were shot to pieces in Uvalde reach the apex of their spiritual development at such tender ages as 7 and 8? How do any children from stillborn to 7 YO--millions of children every year who die in the most slow, painful and horrendous ways--children who can't even begin to comprehend the idea of spiritual development--how are these children possibly reaching spiritual fruition?
Why do Christians always cut and run when you ask them a question they aren't capable of answering? Can't they at least man up and admit, "You ask a question I can't answer, sorry"?
Why do Christians always cut and run when you ask them a question they aren't capable of answering? Can't they at least man up and admit, "You ask a question I can't answer, sorry"?
Right? I can't even answer my own questions/doubts.
I believe there's a "Dark Side" responsible for evil but that's as far as I "know". Plus, man's propensity for evil (in some).
Why do Christians always cut and run when you ask them a question they aren't capable of answering? Can't they at least man up and admit, "You ask a question I can't answer, sorry"?
How about we go with the premise god made you the best way he could? and that your life, to you, won't be one bit different if you believed he was there or not?
He will do whatever he (or it) can to promote growth.
speaking of cutting and running how about we list claims that look reliable or not? How does your evil god stack up to reliability?
all evil god
only good god
tweener deity
living system
non living system
avoid anything that would force us to actually evaluating all the claims we see to focus on how wrong Christianity is only.
What one seems to be more reliable in forming a belief? add any I may be missing.
Right? I can't even answer my own questions/doubts.
I believe there's a "Dark Side" responsible for evil but that's as far as I "know". Plus, man's propensity for evil (in some).
First rule of debate is "Never put forth a hypothesis for which you haven't got an adequate defense if someone should challenge it." I ask what possible spiritual growth could occur in a stillborn or an infant dying a horrible senseless murder. Mystic obviously cannot answer such a question because the premise God is concerned solely with the spiritual growth of a human who didn't even have a chance at spiritual growth is therefore ridiculous on its face. Just one more example of Christians not thinking through a premise its own absurd conclusion.
How about we go with the premise god made you the best way he could? and that your life, to you, won't be one bit different if you believed he was there or not?
He will do whatever he (or it) can to promote growth.
speaking of cutting and running how about we list claims that look reliable or not? How does your evil god stack up to reliability?
all evil god
only good god
tweener deity
living system
non living system
avoid anything that would force us to actually evaluating all the claims we see to focus on how wrong Christianity is only.
What one seems to be more reliable in forming a belief? add any I may be missing.
It's a silly premise to start off on. In deism God didn't have anything to do with actually making us individually. HE set natural laws into motion at the start of the universe and then withdrew for participation. That makes God an indirect cause of my birth and my mother and father getting it on one hot summer night as the direct cause of my birth. As to the rest
God is not all evil or all good in my opinion. He displays traits of both. Maybe that's what you blithely refer to as a tweener deity.
It's a silly premise to start off on. In deism God didn't have anything to do with actually making us individually. HE set natural laws into motion at the start of the universe and then withdrew for participation. That makes God an indirect cause of my birth and my mother and father getting it on one hot summer night as the direct cause of my birth. As to the rest
God is not all evil or all good in my opinion. He displays traits of both. Maybe that's what you blithely refer to as a tweener deity.
Maybe they are wrong. In fact, I think they are. I think its more like your parents started the formation of you. Or your "aliveness" forms and destroys the cells in you. what would those cells say if they are a complex as you cell?
ok so we narrowed weeded out all good and all bad. Its basically a stupid starting point.
we are left with
tweener deity (your both)
living system Not an organism but not "inanimate object" either.
non living system
past lives are real
we are only responding to theism.
Don't connect any dots
there is no god or gods of any type. I mean anything ...not one thing more to this than you see off the end of your nose.
cement theory
I am not letting religion control me.
only talk about a forward thinking controlling deity type. All others are a strawman.
add any others that can help us sort through the noise.
what one of those statements comparts more with observations that most people could understand and agree in large part with.
or we just weed out some others that are less reliable. The way we did with only evil and only good god.
First rule of debate is "Never put forth a hypothesis for which you haven't got an adequate defense if someone should challenge it." I ask what possible spiritual growth could occur in a stillborn or an infant dying a horrible senseless murder. Mystic obviously cannot answer such a question because the premise God is concerned solely with the spiritual growth of a human who didn't even have a chance at spiritual growth is therefore ridiculous on its face. Just one more example of Christians not thinking through a premise its own absurd conclusion.
unless its not a debate and we are just trying to learn. Maybe?
what you can learn for the still born is empathy. Or maybe we need to change something we are doing in our people care tactics.
What we can also learn is that this god might not be able to change anything at anytime he wants.
Maybe they are wrong. In fact, I think they are. I think its more like your parents started the formation of you. Or your "aliveness" forms and destroys the cells in you. what would those cells say if they are a complex as you cell?
ok so we narrowed weeded out all good and all bad. Its basically a stupid starting point.
we are left with
tweener deity (your both)
living system Not an organism but not "inanimate object" either.
non living system
past lives are real
we are only responding to theism.
Don't connect any dots
there is no god or gods of any type. I mean anything ...not one thing more to this than you see off the end of your nose.
cement theory
I am not letting religion control me.
only talk about a forward thinking controlling deity type. All others are a strawman.
add any others that can help us sort through the noise.
what one of those statements comparts more with observations that most people could understand and agree in large part with.
or we just weed out some others that are less reliable. The way we did with only evil and only good god.
What exactly are we trying to do with the bold? This is in danger of degenerating into gldnrule-ism.
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