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Ok. Let me suggest that what Tzaph is talking about is the 'Blind men and the elephant'.
God is like several blind men holding bits of an elephant and describing a tusk, an ear or a tail differently, but it's their limited perception of one thing.
That's the explanation of the analogy of various (different) places in the world - but all part of the same world, right Tzaph?
If so (anticipating your endorsement) then all the various religions are man -made and so are their gods. The perception of the thing is common to all of them; the 'experience' of God. But all the religions, Holy Books and gods associated with them are human anthropomorphisations of this unexpressible Real God.
Ok so far?
P.s I know we got onto arguing about the reality of 'god' rather than new atheism, but then we get onto debating New Atheism on threads about the reality of God. But then it's all different aspects of the whole one debate after all.
The problem with atheists is that they are driven completely by their feelings and emotions. A fact that one of their own mods practically spelled out. But they refuse to acknowledge this fact.
That is because it is a Ozzy fact, not a real one. I notice you avoid the topics were logic and probability are used by atheists.
I presume you have forgotten which mod said we are driven completely by our feelings and emotions
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It's also something that many former atheists turned Christians have acknowledged.
My old adverary Eusebius used to argue the Cheng Ho Fleet of wooden ships that made year -long trips as far as the Indian ocean in the Ming dynasty and one or more ships were reputed to have been 600 feet or more long. This was one evidence -based argument that I was never able to refute. It ought not to have been possible to build a seaworthy wooden ship that long, even with metal bracing. But apparently it was. Was it an actual smaller hull with vastly projecting superstructure? Was it perhaps several ships connected to make a total length of 600 feet? Was it simply an exaggerated claim? Since there are no plans or drawings from the time, I am left without an explanation.
So I just have to turn to the killer objection to the Ark/Flood story, even after all the excuses using Pangaea, inflating mountains, Dinosaur -powered conveyor -belts to remove waste, juveniles and eggs, Bayrma and basic types of species, hibernation, migration and cultivation, you are still with thousands of pairs of animals in a devastated world where nothing would grow (and corpses would not last) for more than a month or so and once a hungry predator eats a herbivore, that species is extinct.
And, as I pointed out to Eusebius (and it worked, amazingly ) once you use a miracle to get over a problem, the whole need for a flood at all becomes pointless.
So I just have to turn to the killer objection to the Ark/Flood story, even after all the excuses using Pangaea, inflating mountains, Dinosaur -powered conveyor -belts to remove waste, juveniles and eggs, Bayrma and basic types of species, hibernation, migration and cultivation, you are still with thousands of pairs of animals in a devastated world where nothing would grow (and corpses would not last) for more than a month or so and once a hungry predator eats a herbivore, that species is extinct.
And, as I pointed out to Eusebius (and it worked, amazingly ) once you use a miracle to get over a problem, the whole need for a flood at all becomes pointless.
I really like this post. It made me laugh. This belief in the flood and the ark kind of fits along with 2+2=5.
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) once you use a miracle to get over a problem, the whole need for a flood at all becomes pointless.
