10-08-2012, 05:09 PM
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I wish you the best of luck!
10-09-2012, 11:01 AM
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10-09-2012, 11:06 AM
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What? You haven't moved yet?
10-09-2012, 11:42 AM
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You are full of questions, just get here already to enjoy the amazing winter!
But to answer your question, the in town hiking paths can get extremely crowded. If you want a hike within 20 minutes of downtown Phoenix, yes there will be lots of people. If you want it to just be you and nature you're going to have to drive outside of town. Go to Google Maps and take a look at where Camelback Mountain, Piestewa Peak, North Mountain, and South Mountain are. They are all surrounded by literally thousands of people in each direction. They are popular because they are the closest to people's homes.
You may want to look at this thread just to realize exactly how big Phoenix is:
https://www.city-data.com/forum/phoen...e-how-big.html
Yes, there is tons of traffic, we have 4 million people in the Phoenix Metro area. It's nothing like LA but it's not good. That's why it is so important to get a short term rental, figure out where you're going to be working, then decide where to live permanently.
If you do searches on this board you can find plenty of information on every type of hike, traffic, scorpions, etc. Previous threads on these specific topics will be a much better resource for you.
10-09-2012, 01:38 PM
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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I don't hike in town because of the large numbers of people. I like to let my dogs of their leashes and not run into hundreds of people on the same trail. McDowell Mountain Regional Park is a straight shot up the 89 from my house and is never that crowded, and besides seeing a couple houses from the outer trails and the campsite in the middle, it feels like you are walking in open desert. I love that place. The Superstitions and White Tank are also located on the edges of the metro and are similarly less crowded. Plus you are within 2 hours of Payson, Prescott, and Tucson if you feel like driving a bit for a weekend hike.
Hiking trail index since 1996! There are wilderness areas around the state you can hike into if you have good route-finding abilities where you can hike and literally see no one the entire time.
10-09-2012, 02:41 PM
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Oh I'm 100% certain I wouldn't even consider LA or anywhere in CA for that matter. It's simply way too expensive. I already lived in NYC and it was WAY too expensive! I want cheap, quality living.
I live in Orange County, Ca. and yes, it's pretty expensive here! We have a 1 bedroom apartment, but we're rarely, if ever, cooped up because of the weather.
If my hubby didn't have the secure job that he also loves, we'd consider Sacramento, Ca. Cost of Living is lower, and has some real fun areas like Midtown, the Wharf etc. It's very diverse, and voted the most integrated city in the U.S. (Don't know too much about their hiring environment in your field though)
We're also attracted to it because we love getting away for weekends, and Sacramento is surrounded by awesome places a few hours away like the Bay area and San Francisco, Lake Tahoe, Yosemite, the Sierras, Shasta, etc.
BTW, here's a COL tool I like to play with...
Cost of Living Wizard | Salary.com
It's pretty general, so take it with a grain of salt. According to this, the COL living in Sac, is slightly higher than Phoenix, but the pay is better.
However, it sounds like your set on Phoenix... you'll be close to one of my favorite places ever, Sedona!
p.s., if you have sinus problems (I do too) you'll want to buy yourself a sinus rinse kit. Even though it's dry, it's also very dusty there, and I'd start to have sinus and allergy issues whenever we'd drive into Arizona when to visit my uncle.
Anyway, you sound like you have a good head on your shoulders and you have savings. If you move out in November, you may be able to get a quick seasonal job somewhere while you start contacting recruiters and such. I did have to laugh when you asked if 28 was "too old"! (People move around this country all the time and at every age!)
Good luck to you and please keep us posted!
Cheers!
10-09-2012, 03:34 PM
Location: Metro Phoenix, AZ USA
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Some of the closer in trails, like South Mountain Park, (but not all the trails there), Piestewa Peak and Camelback Mountain can be crowded in good hiking weather. But, there are lots of other places to go, as some other posters have indicated. McDowell Mountain, the Superstitions, the White Tanks, Spur Cross and some of the other areas out by Cave Creek, are much less crowded.
10-09-2012, 06:28 PM
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10-10-2012, 01:38 AM
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
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Regarding your earlier post. No, I'm not trying to dissuade you. These are things I would want to know if I were considering a place to move. Not trying to come off rude or anything. Sorry if that was the impression you got.
The trails closer in DO get very crowded. Hiking camelback in the middle of town, it can be impossible just to find a parking spot on nice days! It's frustrating. The benefit of Phoenix is that it's a GREAT jumping off point for the rest of Arizona. An hour's drive from town and you can be the only person for miles, if you want to be. Lots of great hidden treasure spots. Friday, I drove to Flagstaff, hiked Humphreys Peak, the tallest point in Arizona (12,637ft) and made it back to town in time for dinner. Phoenix is one of the few places where something like this is doable.
Phoenix is a fairly large place though. 4.3 million people in the metro area, it doesn't feel like a small town. It does feel small for its size though. If you find the right location, where you're close to work, and all the stores you need.. it can be pretty convenient. You almost forget you're in a major metro area until you need the services of one - and they're right there. Nice if that's what you want.
We DO have traffic here. It can get pretty gnarly at times, but is nowhere near as frustrating as DC or Atlanta.
As far as pace is concerned, Phoenix is a city in transition. Southwestern cities are, by nature, slow paced. This used to be the case in Phoenix. As it has grown, however, Phoenix has taken on the characteristics of all the people that moved here from somewhere else. It depends on who you encounter, mostly. Services are fairly prompt in most industries. If you've ever heard of "New Mexico Time" or something similar, it's nothing like that. Things happen when they need to happen, and you'll rarely be waiting all day for anything. Food service is quick and fairly friendly.
You will notice though that the east valley has a much faster pace than the west valley. I'm sure this will change as the west valley develops, but it is still a bit more rural in nature than the east valley. Might be what you're looking for if you want a slower pace!
10-10-2012, 08:23 AM
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For those of you who live far from family back east, how do you cope with that? Do you ever feel sad or lonely? Do you get used to it? I'm fairly close to my family. I see them about once a month, but I'm so sick of living here.
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Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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