Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Nantucket: law school, insurance, tenant) - (MA) - Page 1350 - City-Data Forum

htfdcolt · 08-26-2021, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by YevTK

As you know, all states got access to the vaccine at about the same time, so the cumulative data is perfectly legitimate. Or are you arguing that pre-vaccine Florida did a far better job of managing covid than pre-vaccine Massachusetts?

I am a strong proponent of vaccination, I think all eligible should get vaccinated. However, beyond vaccination I think it is too soon to say whether any state's approach to managing covid is better than another. I am not motivated by politics only data. The data is inconclusive.

Florida is in the middle of the pack as far vaccination % goes (23rd of of 50) so it's not clear to me that all Florida deaths are avoidable. Some certainly, but "nearly all"?

Here's another explanation (I don't necessarily believe this but it is plausible). Massachusetts had such a high death rate early in the pandemic that many of the most vulnerable have already died. The vaccines came along and protected the rest so death rates have plunged. Fewer died early on in Florida and so they have more vulnerable people now, vaccination has helped but there is still a lot of "dry tinder" among the most vulnerable.

As you mentioned "disingenuous" - where did you get the "Florida is seeing 400+ deaths/day" from? I can't find any source that agrees with this.

This number must be wrong as the US 7-day average is only around 800 a day.

OK, this is the source. It's 241 deaths/day now, it was 400 for a prior 7-day stretch.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...253766203.html

justyouraveragetenant · 08-27-2021, 04:30 AM

So appropriate and relevant...

https://youtu.be/e3EsCIjvrSw

GeoffD · 08-27-2021, 08:02 AM

From last night's state report for 14-day averages:

Springfield 38.3 per day per 100,000 The whole county is high. Palmer is 61.7

New Bedford 30.5 per day per 100,000
Provincetown is down to 33.2. The Cape looks pretty good.

Martha's Vineyard is a petri dish. Aquinnah 82. Edgartown 70. Tisbury 60. OB 50. Nantucket is doing a Florida with 89.5.

Most urban places look to be around 20 per day per 100,000. There are lots of small towns with high numbers.

Looking at the vaccination spreadsheet, New Bedford still leads the hall of shame with 44% fully vaccinated. Springfield is up to 46.3%.

YevTK · 08-27-2021, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GeoffD

From last night's state report for 14-day averages:

Springfield 38.3 per day per 100,000 The whole county is high. Palmer is 61.7

New Bedford 30.5 per day per 100,000
Provincetown is down to 33.2. The Cape looks pretty good.

Martha's Vineyard is a petri dish. Aquinnah 82. Edgartown 70. Tisbury 60. OB 50. Nantucket is doing a Florida with 89.5.

Most urban places look to be around 20 per day per 100,000. There are lots of small towns with high numbers.

Looking at the vaccination spreadsheet, New Bedford still leads the hall of shame with 44% fully vaccinated. Springfield is up to 46.3%.

The equivalent number for Florida is 99.8 (overall MA is 17.4).

charolastra00 · 08-27-2021, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GeoffD

Martha's Vineyard is a petri dish. Aquinnah 82. Edgartown 70. Tisbury 60. OB 50. Nantucket is doing a Florida with 89.5.

I feel for the islands. Two former coworkers/friends now work in nonprofits on Nantucket (where one lives) and one in MV (where the other commutes from the South Shore as needed). There are just tons of tourists who don't believe the rules apply to them, and huge numbers of people are coming and going.

I wonder how that latter bit impacts the numbers per 100,000. Is that based off of their census population or does it also include the 200,000 tourists who are there ranging from a day to a week during the summer? If the former, that absolutely skews the data.