Coronavirus in Massachusetts (house, tenant, organic)

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

Because they belong to a tribe that rejects vaccination. Logic has nothing to do with it. If your family and community all reject vaccination, you likely will, too.

The primary driver, no doubt.

The general public also seems to not understand that aside from the MDs, c-suites, device reps, and some of the highly credentialed nurses (e.g., ACNP) the bulk of healthcare staff have fairly average or even low-ish critical thinking skills (e.g., CNA). This has been labored on here multiple times, but viewing a CNA, LPN, or even most RNs as a valid source of healthcare guidance is a generally horrendous idea ... might as well ask your mechanic.

When I see people posting anti-vax propaganda on social media on the basis that some 40-something LPN is refusing to get a 'Non-FDA certified vaccine' I nearly stroke out. It's just so ... dumb.

[redplum33]

A lot of bad stuff goes on in nursing homes. Abuse, neglect, etc.

It doesn't surprise me that some nursing home workers don't care about getting vaccinated and protecting the patients.

[BostonMike7]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

The general public also seems to not understand that aside from the MDs, c-suites, device reps, and some of the highly credentialed nurses (e.g., ACNP) the bulk of healthcare staff have fairly average or even low-ish critical thinking skills (e.g., CNA).

Not only that but the average healthcare staff tend to be pretty specialized within their own area of expertise. For example an ER nurse isn't going to have the same knowledge about heart issues as a cardiologist. There's a reason we have specialists. I would bet most rank-and-file medical staff have the same understanding of the virus as you and I do. Their title doesn't really make them more qualified to speak on the matter.

So i scratch my head when i see a regular nurse making an anti-vax statement and people grabbing onto that and saying "See! Someone in the medical field just said it's dangerous".

No offense to anyone (and i realize this could be applied to both sides of any debate), but people should stick to what they know and not try to educate folks on areas they barely understand themselves.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by BostonMike7

Not only that but the average healthcare staff tend to be pretty specialized within their own area of expertise. For example an ER nurse isn't going to have the same knowledge about heart issues as a cardiologist. There's a reason we have specialists.

So i scratch my head when i see a rank-and-file nurse making an anti-vax statement and people grabbing onto that and saying "See! Someone in the medical field just said it's dangerous".

No offense to anyone, but people should stick to what they know and not try to educate folks on areas they barely understand themselves.

Part of this comes from the fact that nurses, though they have less developed medical knowledge than doctors and PAs, do work in the hospital, and when such a bedrock principle of the mass vaccination campaign is "we don't want to overwhelm the hospitals," then it is fair -- I would call it common sense -- to say, hey wait a second, these people are in the damn hospital every day and they're not all rushing out to get the vaccine, so what's going on here?

Just explaining possible reasoning for trusting a nurse's opinion. It's not necessarily that people think that their medical knowledge is as well-developed as a doctor's or a PA's.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by redplum33

A lot of bad stuff goes on in nursing homes. Abuse, neglect, etc.

It doesn't surprise me that some nursing home workers don't care about getting vaccinated and protecting the patients.

Nursing homes are pretty sad...I wouldn't want to work in one either.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by redplum33

A lot of bad stuff goes on in nursing homes. Abuse, neglect, etc.

It doesn't surprise me that some nursing home workers don't care about getting vaccinated and protecting the patients.

Generally, the problem is poor funding. It’s really hard to properly staff a nursing home that has mostly Medicaid patients. The rate is really low. To get even close to the mandated contact hours per day per resident, you can only pay near-minimum wage. You get what you pay for. Nursing homes with mostly private pay and Medicare patients generally don’t have the problem. Nursing homes are around 1/3 of the Medicaid budget. Wealthy states like Massachusetts pay half the Medicaid bill with the Federal government paying the other half. Last I looked, Medicaid is 20% of the state budget and growing quickly. The aging Boomers are running out of money and landing in nursing homes as Medicaid patients. Their numbers are going to swell as the pool of Boomers ages. It’s going to eat the state budget alive as health care swells to closer to half the budget. And that’s at the current lousy reimbursement rate.

People here write about restaurants having a tough time staffing. Just imagine trying to staff a nursing home full of incontinent patients.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Part of this comes from the fact that nurses, though they have less developed medical knowledge than doctors and PAs, do work in the hospital, and when such a bedrock principle of the mass vaccination campaign is "we don't want to overwhelm the hospitals," then it is fair -- I would call it common sense -- to say, hey wait a second, these people are in the damn hospital every day and they're not all rushing out to get the vaccine, so what's going on here?

Just explaining possible reasoning for trusting a nurse's opinion. It's not necessarily that people think that their medical knowledge is as well-developed as a doctor's or a PA's.

Where’s your coherent explanation? It’s not in any of this.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

Where’s your coherent explanation? It’s not in any of this.

Is there something about my post that you want to discuss?

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Is there something about my post that you want to discuss?

I don’t follow your point. A large-ish hospital employs thousands of people. “Work in a hospital” is pretty meaningless as your rationale for establishing credibility.

[msRB311]

I would think ANYone who works in a hospital has to know that they will be exposed to sick people and would want to protect themselves.