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There are no concordance results for eternal torment in the KJV.
Do a search on the word "Trinity" in the Bible.
You will find no matches.
So, the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine?
Even though the word isn't utilized, it is clearly taught in holy scripture and is biblical doctrine.
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Originally Posted by pcamps
This nonsense smells like hell.
Again,
nonsense = foolishness.
1Co 1:18, For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:21, For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Universalism is false teaching because it ignores the fact that God will execute fierce wrath upon wicked men in the last day, so scripture warns Rom 2:4-6
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
No doubt Paul has in mind the vessels of wrath being fitted for destruction Rom 9:22
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
The day of wrath is the day Christ comes back to Judge the wicked, when they shall be afraid Rev 6:16-17
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Universalism is false teaching because it ignores the fact that God will execute fierce wrath upon wicked men in the last day, so scripture warns Rom 2:4-6
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
No doubt Paul has in mind the vessels of wrath being fitted for destruction Rom 9:22
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
The day of wrath is the day Christ comes back to Judge the wicked, when they shall be afraid Rev 6:16-17
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Your understanding is incorrect because you ignore the fact that God's wrath ends (is completed) in Rev 15:1, and you ignore the fact that even though God binds all to disobedience, He does it so He can show mercy on all (Romans 11:32). Ultimately God reconciles all to himself!
You also ignore the fact that God IS AGAPE LOVE, and it would be a terrible plan if God purposed creation so the vast majority of souls were tortured forever, thus ensuring suffering lasts forever...
Your understanding is incorrect because you ignore the fact that God's wrath ends (is completed) in Rev 15:1, and you ignore the fact that even though God binds all to disobedience, He does it so He can show mercy on all (Romans 11:32). Ultimately God reconciles all to himself!
You also ignore the fact that God IS AGAPE LOVE, and it would be a terrible plan if God purposed creation so the vast majority of souls were tortured forever, thus ensuring suffering lasts forever...
So, what is written in Revelation 21:8 is not the wrath of God revealed against the sins that are mentioned in that verse?
I would point out that those who are cast into fire shall have "wailing and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:41-42, 13:49-50).
So, what is written in Revelation 21:8 is not the wrath of God revealed against the sins that are mentioned in that verse?
I would point out that those who are cast into fire shall have "wailing and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:41-42, 13:49-50).
Now let us see what kind of people it was who were doing the wailing and teeth gnashing
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There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out
And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
Here Jesus is telling religious fundamentalist that they are the ones who will be wailing and gnashing their teeth, then moments later tells them they will be the last ones to enter in.
Take off your bible goggles and you will see all what you are missing when reading the scriptures.
Hope Beyond hell - a great book, I read it early on.
Death has no victory!
Me too. I sent a few copies over to the UK after reading it and got mixed responses. A couple of eternal torture believers actually read it, and just for the fact they actually read it knowing the content, said volumes about them, not that they believed it, but for being open to reading it.
I'm going to ask you a very simple question justbyfaith.
Is eternal torture evil?
Nothing that originates in God is evil; so, no.
You also seem to think that God is applying torture methods to people in hell.
This is the actual reality, in answer to the Psalmist's prayer:
Psa 11:6, Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.
Psa 11:7, For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.
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