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Old 06-26-2021, 04:22 AM
 
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"God put the world square with himself through the Messiah, giving the world a fresh start by offering forgiveness of sins. God has given us the task of telling everyone what he is doing. We’re Christ’s representatives. God uses us to persuade men and women to drop their differences and enter into God’s work of making things right." ~MSG

"God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation."

NOTE

1. God, our ABBA, was in Christ.

2. His purpose = reconciling the entire world cosmos to Himself.

3. He is NOT imputing trespasses to them.

Whose will prevails: The Creator or the created?

 
Old 06-26-2021, 04:40 AM
 
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"God put the world square with himself through the Messiah, giving the world a fresh start by offering forgiveness of sins. God has given us the task of telling everyone what he is doing. We’re Christ’s representatives. God uses us to persuade men and women to drop their differences and enter into God’s work of making things right." ~MSG

"God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation."

NOTE

1. God, our ABBA, was in Christ.

2. His purpose = reconciling the entire world cosmos to Himself.

3. He is NOT imputing trespasses to them.

Whose will prevails: The Creator or the created?
"not imputing their trespasses unto them"/ don't know what Bible you are reading?

My Bible says "the wages of sin is death."/ you are preaching Another Jesus!

This junk you are teaching was heresy in the early Church and it's heresy today!
 
Old 06-26-2021, 05:57 AM
 
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"not imputing their trespasses unto them"/ don't know what Bible you are reading?

My Bible says "the wages of sin is death."/ you are preaching Another Jesus!

This junk you are teaching was heresy in the early Church and it's heresy today!
Tell us more about the early Church Charlie OK? They didn't believe in UR? Tell me more about this heresy. I read the opposite. Can you back this up?
 
Old 06-26-2021, 06:00 AM
 
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"not imputing their trespasses unto them"/ don't know what Bible you are reading?
Why charlie it is the bible you say is the unadulterated, infallible word of God, the bible you trust in the most the KJV.

2 cor. 5:19

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

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My Bible says "the wages of sin is death."/ you are preaching Another Jesus!
Lol Rose quotes you a scripture that you can't deal with and you say he is preaching another Jesus.

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This junk you are teaching was heresy in the early Church and it's heresy today!
You should really look things up before you open your mouth and show your ignorance. The 3 main doctrines of the early church was eternal torment, annihilation and universal salvation. There was 6 main churches at the time, 1 believed in eternal torment, 1 believed in annihilation and 4 believed in universal salvation.

Universal salvation was the dominate belief of the early church. It was so dominate that the creed most Christians believe in today, the Nicene Creed, had as its top counsel 2 very prominent believers in universal salvation, Gregory Nyssen and Gregory Nazianzus. Thus if universal salvation is heresy, so too is the creed most of Christendom believe in.
 
Old 06-26-2021, 06:02 AM
 
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Tell us more about the early Church Charlie OK? They didn't believe in UR? Tell me more about this heresy. I read the opposite. Can you back this up?
He can't zero his understanding of the early church matches his understanding of the scriptures.
 
Old 06-26-2021, 06:24 AM
 
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Why charlie it is the bible you say is the unadulterated, infallible word of God, the bible you trust in the most the KJV.

2 cor. 5:19

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.



Lol Rose quotes you a scripture that you can't deal with and you say he is preaching another Jesus.



You should really look things up before you open your mouth and show your ignorance. The 3 main doctrines of the early church was eternal torment, annihilation and universal salvation. There was 6 main churches at the time, 1 believed in eternal torment, 1 believed in annihilation and 4 believed in universal salvation.

Universal salvation was the dominate belief of the early church. It was so dominate that the creed most Christians believe in today, the Nicene Creed, had as its top counsel 2 very prominent believers in universal salvation, Gregory Nyssen and Gregory Nazianzus. Thus if universal salvation is heresy, so too is the creed most of Christendom believe in.
Ohhh! The feathers have been ruffled! There is a different view than yours.

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/artic...-early-church/
 
Old 06-26-2021, 06:40 AM
 
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Ohhh! The feathers have been ruffled! There is a different view than yours.

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/artic...-early-church/
lol you did not even read that link did you, he says nothing about universal salvation, however he did say the trinity is heresy. LMAO
 
Old 06-26-2021, 06:46 AM
 
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lol you did not even read that link did you, he says nothing about universal salvation, however he did say the trinity is heresy. LMAO
That one was to show the Catholic connection in this one, although I meant to give both at the same time.

I thought I posted both, apparently not!

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct...versalism.html
 
Old 06-26-2021, 06:50 AM
 
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He can't zero his understanding of the early church matches his understanding of the scriptures.
It is a wonderful fact that none of us can do anything against the truth only for it!

It is also a fact the the earliest Church had 6 (SIX) catechetical schools.

https://salvationforall.org/7_Histor...l_schools.html
 
Old 06-26-2021, 06:57 AM
 
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Jesus Christ teaches: “I say unto you, forgive your brother that sins against you, not seven times (merely), but until seventy times seven.” Matt. 18:21, 22. 1

Will not our heavenly Father, then, forgive his children – all his children?

Will eternity ever reveal the time when God will not forgive the penitent? He is, ever has been, and ever will be, a sin forgiving God.

Away, then, with the creed which says, “In a little while the door shall be shut, and the day of grace passed forever.”

We are explicitly commanded to “Bless and curse not.” Rom. 12:14.

Why, then, will men profess to be commissioned by heaven to deal damnation round the land on each they judge His foe.

The spirit of the New Testament is, “Recompense no man evil for evil.” Rom. 12:17.

Yet, we are told God will do precisely what the Gospel forbids! – will pour eternal torrents of lava, from the sea of damnation, on countless millions.

It was a moral precept of the disciples: “Avenge not yourselves.” Rom. 12:19.

How, then, could they consistently preach eternal, unmitigating vengeance and retaliation on all the sons of folly and sin?

Would not that be vengeance “with a vengeance?”
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