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Why look so surprised. Do you think the flesh, the natural man, creates faith towards God? Of course not. The faith of Christ resides in His Kingdom, in our spirit (the breath of God) not our flesh (Luk 17:21). However, it cannot be seen or entered into (that is: received) until born of God (Joh 3:3).
But it is the CONTEXT that you use that is WRONG, Charlie. You are using our ancestors' primitive and barbaric beliefs about God as the context instead of the revelations and unambiguous demonstration of God's True Nature of agape love by Jesus! They cannot be reconciled or merged as you pretend to do. Either you love the God our ancestors' feared and believed in or you love the God that Jesus loved, believed in, and unambiguously demonstrated for us.
Surly if what you preach is true you can show me in scripture how man gets out of hell after the purification.
If you can't show me that, how do you expect me to believe it?
Am I to take your word for it, or let you present scripture that has nothing to do with what you're saying?
You've given scripture taken out of context every time!
And I'll shoot 'em down every time!
You guys can't deal in facts but only theory. It's always scripture meaning something else but you try to twist it.
As plainly as scripture shows us that man goes to Hell for unbelief, show us scripture saying man gets out of Hell. Is that to much to ask?
You can't find any and all you can do is twist scripture that means something else.
Dreamers with a theory that has no foundation whatsoever!
You ET'ers are all the same...faith in death but none in life...LOL It's the flesh that is cast out, not the spirit of man. What part of the soul do you think "does not believe"? It's the flesh that does not, will not and cannot believe.
The spirit of man IS where faith resides. And it's already there, but hidden until God reveals it to the soul. That happens during regeneration in this world, and will also happen when Christ tells the flesh to depart in judgement (Mat 7:23 and 25:41). Do you actually believe that God sets his own Kingdom on fire, and condemns His own breath. Maybe you do...LOL
You ET'ers are all the same...faith in death but none in life...LOL It's the flesh that is cast out, not the spirit of man. What part of the soul do you think "does not believe"? It's the flesh that does not, will not and cannot believe.
The spirit of man IS where faith resides. And it's already there, but hidden until God reveals it to the soul. That happens during regeneration in this world, and will also happen when Christ tells the flesh to depart in judgement (Mat 7:23 and 25:41). Do you actually believe that God sets his own Kingdom on fire, and condemns His own breath. Maybe you do...LOL
You URites are all the same...faith in life and denying and dodging the judgement.
All theory and pie in the sky, wishful thinking, the hippie love.
Where do you think faith comes from? It's part of salvation, it's a gift, by grace.
It is difficult for them to comprehend why we were told that God the Father calls us to faith in Jesus because they want to take credit for everything, including their salvation. That is why they think what they believe is how they are saved despite being told that JESUS is our Savior, NOT us.
They confuse our responsibility for sanctification by faith and works with our salvation which has nothing to do with us. It is all JESUS and it is finished. What we build (or not) on the foundation of agape love that Jesus laid for us is up to us, but we are "saved as by fire" by what Jesus did.
It is difficult for them to comprehend why we were told that God the Father calls us to faith in Jesus because they want to take credit for everything, including their salvation. That is why they think what they believe is how they are saved despite being told that JESUS is our Savior, NOT us.
They confuse our responsibility for sanctification by faith and works with our salvation which has nothing to do with us. It is all JESUS and it is finished. What we build (or not) on the foundation of agape love that Jesus laid for us is up to us, but we are "saved as by fire" by what Jesus did.
Just call me the Damnationist, I don't mind, that's what Christ was, He threatened Hell all the time!
He told us many times about those going to Hell, but never that they would get out.
So twist your scripture, tell your lies, and you can tell it all to Jesus when you meet Him!
Surly if what you preach is true you can show me in scripture how man gets out of hell after the purification.
If you can't show me that, how do you expect me to believe it?
Am I to take your word for it, or let you present scripture that has nothing to do with what you're saying?
You don't like my interpretation of the same scripture you use, Charlie because you believe something Jesus never told you. Show me in scripture where Jesus told you that every word in the Bible is the word of God!!! You can't. The Bible did not even exist, only the Torah existed. Can you show me where JESUS told you what you believe about the Bible, Charlie? If not, how can you expect me to believe it?
You are staking your soul on what MEN have told you must be true about the Bible, Charlie. Why do you trust them so much? I trust Jesus and only Jesus based on His unambiguous demonstration of God's Holy Spirit of agape love which even you recognize, Charlie. Why don't you? What is this love of condemnation and damnation that you have based on. It is OPPOSITE of the very essence of God's Holy Spirit as revealed by Jesus.
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