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They preach a false gospel, telling us God is against us because of sin, when the truth is God is for us because sin is against us, accusing us and condemning us. So God condemned sin in the flesh so that the righteous requirements of the law may be met, from then on, in us, by us walking in the Spirit, thus taking away and destroying the ability of sin to accuse and condemn us. Shall we continue in sin because of this ? God forbid! but there is super abounding grace for when we do sin.
…But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound. — Romans 5:20
I honestly believe we're OK in God's eyes. After all, He created us in His image. Aren't people now proud in something they have just made? Want to show it off even? (We even judge the angels). God shows US off.
But the accuser has a job, doesn't he?
This is what I believe...as a man believeth in his heart....HE IS. If we think we're wicked, we run from God instead of embrace Him. This is sin. In order to fix this, God did something shocking to us, His shock treatment was the brutality of the cross. If this doesn't convince us grace is greater than sin...nothing will or can. This is why Jesus was needed.
Universalism is a false doctrine since God has ordained some persons to condemnation Jude 1:4, 13-15
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Universalism is a false doctrine since God has ordained some persons to condemnation Jude 1:4, 13-15
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
When you deny that God is not imputing the sins of the people against them then you are denying the Lord Jesus Christ. Just like you are here.
Universalism is a false doctrine since scripture teaches positive reprobation in the creative purpose of God:
Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Job 21:30
That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.
Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Romans 9:21-22 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
1 Peter 2:7-8 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
Jude 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is
When you deny that certain ones will be cast into the furnace of fire, you are denying the Lord Jesus Christ; for He said those things.
You have carried a primitive belief over about God from your unbelieving days. You have no idea about the symbolic meaning of fire. Blind to the fact that if the world does everything to reform, rather than punish for the sake of punishing, then how much more would your Heavenly Father do so. You have forgotten the great mercy freely shown to you.
You know something? They are actually doing the accusers job. Ironic isn't it? jbf and the likes use scripture to convince people they are wicked. The devil tempted Christ using scripture as well when He fasted for 40 days.
People are wicked according to scripture (see Jeremiah 17:9, for example).
That is why we ought to be all the more thankful for our redemption!
The devil, when he quoted scripture to Jesus, quoted half a verse; and he took it out of context.
I do not take my verses out of context.
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Yes, exactly.
They preach a false gospel, telling us God is against us because of sin, when the truth is God is for us because sin is against us, accusing us and condemning us. So God condemned sin in the flesh so that the righteous requirements of the law may be met, from then on, in us, by us walking in the Spirit, thus taking away and destroying the ability of sin to accuse and condemn us. Shall we continue in sin because of this ? God forbid! but there is super abounding grace for when we do sin.
A false gospel would not take all of scripture into account;
And, I'm sorry to say, that describes your gospel more than it does mine.
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Would you throw one of your children into the oven for misbehaving? Of course not and neither does God, who has infinite more love and mercy than you or me. Hell is a place of darkness. An unrepentant soul who has lived a sociopathic life and harmed people most of his/her life is not ready for God. Lift a rock and watch the bugs scatter, anything but light. These souls are drawn like magnets to a hellish place, they believe is no option , certainly God is not an option to them so now what? I do know that even in this place, we are NOT removed from the love of God. It was either run and hide or face the consequences for these people but whenever they cry out to God . like a pinpoint of light, it gets bigger and bigger and people are lifted at their own time. If a suffering hell is eternal and most people go there, how could a loving being go through with that? Its just insanity to believe God tortures people forever, even sick.
How could a loving God send people to hell?
It is an age-old question that is used by unbelievers to try and undermine the authority of the gospel in their own lives and in the lives of others.
The answer is that we live in a world where good and evil co-exist. And because of this, bad things happen to good people. Evil people are recipients of the actions of those who are good; and good people are recipients of the actions of those who are evil.
It is a heart cry of mankind that this would no longer be the case.
God's way of remedying this, however, is that there will come a day when good is separated from evil.
When that day comes, all who are evil will be lumped together in the same place; with thieves, murderers, adulterers, and such like. I think that such a thing will not be pleasant for them.
But it will secure heaven for those who are good; that heaven might truly be heavenly. For, there is no evil in heaven.
You have carried a primitive belief over about God from your unbelieving days. You have no idea about the symbolic meaning of fire. Blind to the fact that if the world does everything to reform, rather than punish for the sake of punishing, then how much more would your Heavenly Father do so. You have forgotten the great mercy freely shown to you.
The fire that is spoken of in holy scripture is a fire that causes "wailing and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50).
I get this idea not from my unbelieving days; but from reading the words of Jesus.
That will be you and your mates in the prison of reform for holding the debt against the people that you were immensely and freely forgiven off.
I don't wish that fate on anyone; but I work to this day to attempt to deliver many people from that fate.
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