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Old 11-27-2021, 06:34 PM
 
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Universalism is a unfaithful false doctrine because it denies the resurrection if the unjust to punishment in opposite to the resurrection of the just. Acts 24:15

And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

According to the lies of universalism there is no unjust.

Jesus said also Jn 5:28-29

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The lies of universalism denies the resurrection of damnation in opposite to the resurrection of life.
In the resurrection, the two natures of the soul are divided: Those two natures are "flesh" and "spirit".

The fleshly nature of the soul is cut off and destroyed in judgment, that the soul (according to the spirit) may be saved. It's the same type of judgment that Paul pronounced, here:

1Co 5:5 to deliver up such a one to the Adversary for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

UR does not deny the resurrection to life (the soul according to the spirit) or the judgement of the flesh, as you erroneously stated. UR affirms both.

 
Old 11-27-2021, 06:53 PM
 
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Universalism is a lie against the truth, deceiving the simple, because it doesnt believe that some God sends a strong delusion to believe a lie, that they may be damned, verses those God Loved, chose to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth 2 Thess 2:10-13

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Again, the "judgment" (Gk. κριθῶσιν) spoken of are those with respect to the "flesh". That is: the fleshly nature of the soul, the "natural man" that receives not the things of the Spirit (1Co 2:14).

God does not condemn His own breath (the spirit of man, also called the candle of the Lord), nor His own image that He created man in, in Christ.

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Old 11-27-2021, 07:14 PM
 
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In the resurrection, the two natures of the soul are divided: Those two natures are "flesh" and "spirit".

The fleshly nature of the soul is cut off and destroyed in judgment, that the soul (according to the spirit) may be saved. It's the same type of judgment that Paul pronounced, here:

1Co 5:5 to deliver up such a one to the Adversary for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

UR does not deny the resurrection to life (the soul according to the spirit) or the judgement of the flesh, as you erroneously stated. UR affirms both.
 
Old 11-27-2021, 07:34 PM
 
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I have to be honest, I'm not sure why I continue to respond to BF52's posts.
 
Old 11-27-2021, 07:42 PM
 
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I have to be honest, I'm not sure why I continue to respond to BF52's posts.
I do admire your tenacity in the face of a completely mindless parroting of anti-Universalist propaganda and misinformation. It does seem a fruitless task, but then there are the lurkers to be considered.
 
Old 11-28-2021, 05:52 AM
 
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I do admire your tenacity in the face of a completely mindless parroting of anti-Universalist propaganda and misinformation. It does seem a fruitless task, but then there are the lurkers to be considered.
Thank-you for the encouragement my friend. The task of "pulling down strong holds" that Church dogma (that is: the teachings and doctrines of men) took over 1500 years to first create and then built upon is not always easy.

2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds )
2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

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Old 11-28-2021, 06:54 AM
 
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Universalism is a perverse evil doctrine because it denies the second death for the vessels of wrath opposed to the eternal life for the vessels of mercy. Rev 2:11


He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rev 20:6,14


Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Cp Matt 25:41

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Rev 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 
Old 11-28-2021, 07:02 AM
 
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In the resurrection, the two natures of the soul are divided: Those two natures are "flesh" and "spirit".

The fleshly nature of the soul is cut off and destroyed in judgment, that the soul (according to the spirit) may be saved. It's the same type of judgment that Paul pronounced, here:

1Co 5:5 to deliver up such a one to the Adversary for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

UR does not deny the resurrection to life (the soul according to the spirit) or the judgement of the flesh, as you erroneously stated. UR affirms both.
The old man nature cannot partake of the kingdom of God. The way back into the Tree of Life is via angelic beings guarding the way with flaming swords swirling in every direction.

We can also rest assured the primary preposition dia is the glorious road of being saved in, through, with, and by means of fire.

Note: saved

https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/3-15.htm
 
Old 11-28-2021, 08:04 AM
 
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Universalism is a perverse evil doctrine because it denies the second death for the vessels of wrath opposed to the eternal life for the vessels of mercy. Rev 2:11

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rev 20:6,14

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Cp Matt 25:41

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Rev 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
The judgments spoken of in Rev 20 and 21, with regards to the "second death", are against the "flesh". It's the carnal nature that is being judged and ultimately cutoff from the soul and destroyed. The judgments against the flesh are necessary to the saving of the soul, according to the spirit, as Paul describes, here:

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Regarding the parable, Mat 25:41: The judgments against "the nations" are with respect to the two natures of the soul. Those natures consist of "flesh" and "spirit". The "flesh" is referred to as a "goat". While the "spirit" is referred to as "sheep".

The division of the two natures within the soul takes place at death.

Job 34:15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.

Ecc_12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

In the resurrection of judgment, the two natures of the soul that are divided, are called "nations". The "nations" are gathered together and separated from one another according to their natures (spirit and flesh as sheep and goat, respectively) and then judged accordingly:

Mat 25:32 and gathered together before him shall be all the nations, and he shall separate them from one another, as the shepherd doth separate the sheep from the goats,
Mat 25:33 and he shall set the sheep indeed on his right hand, and the goats on the left.

As to the soul according to the spirit (right hand "nations", ie: sheep), the pronouncement is:

Mat 25:34 'Then shall the king say to those on his right hand, Come ye, the blessed of my Father, inherit the reign that hath been prepared for you from the foundation of the world;

As for the flesh nature (left hand "nations", ie: goat) the judgment is:

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;

That's what is being spoken of. The separation of "flesh" and "spirit" and the judgments thereof to the saving of the soul.

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Old 11-28-2021, 08:22 AM
 
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The old man nature cannot partake of the kingdom of God. The way back into the Tree of Life is via angelic beings guarding the way with flaming swords swirling in every direction.

We can also rest assured the primary preposition dia is the glorious road of being saved in, through, with, and by means of fire.

Note: saved

https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/3-15.htm
Amen to that my friend:

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

We need to lose all of our self, in order to find all that Christ has for us:

Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

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