Coronavirus (August: live, price, legally)

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

It's the same thing.



https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/yo...e-or-different

Moderator cut: rude

They are still "legally distinct" in that pfizer has full immunity on the vaccine out now but can be sued starting in 2023/24 when this "same" vaccine is reissued under a new name. It's also when pfizer can start raking in more profits by selling it to consumers. But you dont see whats happening here and are just going with the flow.

Almost one-third of new drugs approved by U.S. regulators over a decade ended up years later with warnings about unexpected, sometimes life-threatening side effects or complications, a new analysis found.

The results covered all 222 prescription drugs approved by the U.S. Food and Drug*Administration*from 2001 through 2010. The researchers looked at potential problems that cropped up during routine monitoring that's done once a medicine is on the market.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...proval-n757526

Yeah no way could this extend to a rushed vaccine using new tech that they stopped testing animals with.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

They are still "legally distinct" in that pfizer has full immunity on the vaccine out now but can be sued starting in 2023/24 when this "same" vaccine is reissued under a new name.

Ah. That makes sense now.
The approval doesn't seem to have made a difference in pushing the numbers up on vaccination anyway.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

They are still "legally distinct" in that pfizer has full immunity on the vaccine out now but can be sued starting in 2023/24 when this "same" vaccine is reissued under a new name. It's also when pfizer can start raking in more profits by selling it to consumers. But you dont see whats happening here and are just going with the flow.

You just switched the argument away from the false claim that the product isn't now FDA-approved to some vague conspiracy theory probably involving money. Of course Pfizer wants to make a lot of money, maybe as a misguided priority here.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...proval-n757526

Yeah no way could this extend to a rushed vaccine using new tech that they stopped testing animals with.

Everyone who knows 'drugs' knows that more side effects turn up eventually. What hasn't happened, I'm almost sure, is a vaccine cleared for widespread use in the past few decades that later turned out to be unsafe.

Do you want something that's probably safe and lessens the crisis, or do you want nothing?

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Do you want something that's probably safe and lessens the crisis, or do you want nothing?

Well put.

"Even after her spouse and fellow Los Angeles Police Department employee Raymond Guerrero died of COVID-19 in January, Debra Guerrero wasn’t quite sure about getting the vaccine.

She’d had the virus, too, and been pretty sick, but she wanted to see further testing of the vaccine before getting the jab. Then their two daughters, who had just lost their 51-year-old father, changed her mind."

Widows of LAPD employees killed by COVID-19 encourage vaccinations in department video:
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...-from-covid-19

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

You just switched the argument away from the false claim that the product isn't now FDA-approved to some vague conspiracy theory probably involving money. Of course Pfizer wants to make a lot of money, maybe as a misguided priority here.

Everyone who knows 'drugs' knows that more side effects turn up eventually. What hasn't happened, I'm almost sure, is a vaccine cleared for widespread use in the past few decades that later turned out to be unsafe.

Do you want something that's probably safe and lessens the crisis, or do you want nothing?

Thats assuming there's nothing out there thats already safe with decades of research already behind it, which can do great wonders at prevention if given early on versus a "vaccine" that didn't advance with animals because they all died. You are acting like this is the bubonic plague. We're talking about something with a 99.8% survival rate for those under 70.

And several vaccines have been recalled before after being deemed "safe": https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-b...alls-biologics. Have been following whats been going on in Japan? Think we're somehow immune to that here? https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...ne-2021-08-30/

I didnt switch up any argument. As long as they remain legally distinct so that you cant sue pfizer if you have complications with the EUA one but can with the Comorbidity vaccine, then they are essentially different in the eyes of the law. Good luck getting anything once you take the booster in a couple years if it's proven you also took the EUA version.

[wp169]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

Thats assuming there's nothing out there thats already safe with decades of research already behind it, which can do great wonders at prevention if given early on versus a "vaccine" that didn't advance with animals because they all died. You are acting like this is the bubonic plague. We're talking about something with a 99.8% survival rate for those under 70.

And several vaccines have been recalled before after being deemed "safe": https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-b...alls-biologics. Have been following whats been going on in Japan? Think we're somehow immune to that here? https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...ne-2021-08-30/

I didnt switch up any argument. As long as they remain legally distinct so that you cant sue pfizer if you have complications with the EUA one but can with the Comorbidity vaccine, then they are essentially different in the eyes of the law. Good luck getting anything once you take the booster in a couple years if it's proven you also took the EUA version.

Those who rushed to get the first vaccines already messed themselves up by not being able to sue Pfizer, just wait and see if the early mRNA vaccines cause long term serious side effects, they will really be out of luck, healthwise and financially.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by wp169

Those who rushed to get the first vaccines already messed themselves up by not being able to sue Pfizer, just wait and see if the early mRNA vaccines cause long term serious side effects, they will really be out of luck, healthwise and financially.

That's doubtful.

What are the long-term side effects of COVID vaccines? 3 things to know:
https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item...covid-vaccines

How Do We Know the COVID-19 Vaccine Won’t Have Long-Term Side Effects?
https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories...m-side-effects

Vaccines are highly unlikely to cause side effects long after getting the shot:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...ting-the-shot-

[benkrock]

400 is the number of deaths from covid I have read. Delta is a far different virus than the original virus.

[wp169]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

That's doubtful.

What are the long-term side effects of COVID vaccines? 3 things to know:
https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item...covid-vaccines

How Do We Know the COVID-19 Vaccine Won’t Have Long-Term Side Effects?
https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories...m-side-effects

Vaccines are highly unlikely to cause side effects long after getting the shot:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...ting-the-shot-

The Pfizer web-site states the long term side effects regarding it's mRNA vaccine is unknown.

These articles state history shows vaccines are unlikely to cause long term side effects although the mRNA isn't really a vaccine, but genetic coding therapy which hasn't been used before, it has no history. When the J&J vaccine is mentioned regarding being pulled for a while due to blood clots, it tells me the vaccinated are being the guinea pigs since this side effect was unknown until mass vaccination.

I'm unvaccinated, but when I wear my N95 masks out, I am just as protected as a vaccinated person at 95% with no lowered efficacy as time goes on, no worries about vaccine side effects and no need for boosters!

[Weaubleau]

There is no need to get vaccinated or wear a mask at this point. The virus is endemic and is in many animals as well as in humans, it is impossible to eradicate it with out genociding all animal life on the planet. As crazy as some of the COVID freaks are, I think many of them would be OK with that action.