Coronavirus (Irish, house, movies)

[goodheathen]

The government is trying, just not very hard. That's been the approach since early last year and why the virus has been able to thrive. I don't know when the people who do fear the virus will wake up and refuse to vote for politicians who aren't ready to wage war on COVID-19.

[2nd trick op]

Originally Posted by tikkasf

They should start trying to identify & prosecute those individuals selling those fake vax cards

Another Band-Aid on a much bigger wound; there are too many chicken-littles running around proclaimig that "they" should do something -- when they can't agree as to who "they" are.

Confusion and disagreement leads to a vacuum at the top, and that in turn leads the weaklings to clamor for a "man on a horse" -- a strongman seekng to consolidate power.

(And all those who venerate (or fear) Sanders, Pelosi, OR Trump may now rant, if you so desire -- Biden has already established his role as the vacuum at the top).

When it's all added up, most of us can protect ourselves, or at least hedge our bets, via simple common sense; I've taken a reommended vaccine -- but I'm not planning on any boosters until more is known about the effectiveness (and possible side effects) of the first round of immunization.

And I've resigned myself to the probability that the wannabee power-brokers and the "Karens" who blindly obey them, will call for another round of lockdowns, and possibly sterner measures against anyone brave enough to dissent from the "pop wisdom".

"Iactae alea sunt" -- The dice have been thrown!; and there's no way to put the genie back into the bottle.

And COVID, and its variants, appear to be here to stay -- but if it mutates into "Captain Trips" (the fictional "superflu" in Stephen King's apocalyptic novel The Stand) the manipulative media will have at least as much to answer for as anyone else,

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by tikkasf

They should start trying to identify & prosecute those individuals selling those fake vax cards

Eh.
It's not as if the cards are complex in any way, or made of proprietary paper, embossed, holographic, etc., etc. Putting too much pressure on fake card holders/users or their makers, will just mean the cards will become something bigger.... like an individualized number, which then becomes yet another default ID like what happened with social security. Do we really need to go full Orwellian over this?


If people who won't just get vaccinated have to resort to faking the documents, just to fly on a plane in order to see their grandma in Ohio, is it really that big of a deal?

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

The government is trying, just not very hard.

Did you miss the whole part of the pandemic when the streets were practically empty? The "two week" shutdown that is still technically an emergency that our lovely governor STILL won't let loose? Even in that short period of time where only "essential" people were keeping the lights on, the water flowing, and the warehouses stocked with food, it was obvious it was unsustainable. How much more trying do you think would've staved off where we're at now?



The only *real* effective way to break the chain of transmission of disease is full isolation which is impossible to attain unless you're willing to live by candlelight, eating leaves and birds you manage to catch in your backyard (if you're lucky enough to have a backyard).

[2nd trick op]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

The government is trying, just not very hard.

And if the government tries harder. innocent people are likely to get caught in the crossfire.

I have a brother who is a USDA inspector for a small slaughtering/packing operation in Idaho, Many of the workforce showed COVID symptoms last winter, When he himself was blood-tested in the spring, he no longer showed symptoms, but did show the T-cells that indicate immunity.

As many of us know, Idaho is a hot spot pf the Sagebrush Rebellion that has so annoyed Big Brother, and reportedly, Ivermectin use as a preventive measure is quite common there.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by joosoon

If people who won't just get vaccinated have to resort to faking the documents, just to fly on a plane in order to see their grandma in Ohio, is it really that big of a deal?

Um, yeah.

Math Activity #1: Exponential Growth and the Coronavirus Pandemic: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/l...and-decay.html

[tikkasf]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Um, yeah.

Math Activity #1: Exponential Growth and the Coronavirus Pandemic: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/l...and-decay.html

Thank you for posting a subtly condescending student math activity to me.


Now, stop and actually think about it (did you even read it?) yourself.
If one person on a plane isn't vaccinated and all others are, that whole "exponential decay" postulate comes into play. So you have the guy with the fake vax card, with a mask on, among two-hundred other passengers on the plane. In order for the infection to take root, the virus has to pass all the hurdles laid out in front of it, first and most importantly, that the person in question is even infected. Assuming those initial planets line up, then there's the window of time in which that person is contagious during their infection, then the masks and whatever other non-pharmaceutical interventions are in place, then the ability to pass it along to others who are statistically least likely to get infected by virtue of the fact that they don't have fake vax cards and are actually vaccinated.


So, do *that* math, and get back to me.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Timaea

I believe the member was referring to our overall situation last summer.

If I'm reading it right, the message is that these extreme measures didn't get us to a resolution of the covid crisis.

The poster was being facetious. I responded in kind.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by joosoon

Did you miss the whole part of the pandemic when the streets were practically empty? The "two week" shutdown that is still technically an emergency that our lovely governor STILL won't let loose? Even in that short period of time where only "essential" people were keeping the lights on, the water flowing, and the warehouses stocked with food, it was obvious it was unsustainable. How much more trying do you think would've staved off where we're at now?



The only *real* effective way to break the chain of transmission of disease is full isolation which is impossible to attain unless you're willing to live by candlelight, eating leaves and birds you manage to catch in your backyard (if you're lucky enough to have a backyard).

That amounted to, Don't go to work, school or official social gatherings. In most parts of the USA, there was no effort to stop informal mingling and make people stay home. And there were very public violations by leaders themselves. Many people decided to no longer take the virus seriously.

Now there are very few restrictions, other than vaccine mandates, which won't mean much if cards are fake (which is a Federal crime and maybe a crime at state and local levels) or the shots are months out of date.