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Old 11-16-2018, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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Only Super Nino's and east based Nino's would bring milder conditions for eastern US/Canada. Modoki's usually are big ticket winters especially for the Southern US and East Coast.


I like the sound of this. "This is just the beginning"



https://twitter.com/EdValleeWx/statu...40229737074698
I can wait till May when winter is still rocking and rolling and you cry mercy . You know it and I know it ain’t no spring 2019. Question is more about summer.
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Old 11-16-2018, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Key Biscayne, FL
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Low of 41F this morning. Decent. Gonna be a warm afternoon though with a predicted high of 74F
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Old 11-16-2018, 11:54 AM
 
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I can wait till May when winter is still rocking and rolling and you cry mercy . You know it and I know it ain’t no spring 2019. Question is more about summer.
Well if 2009-2010 is an analog as is stated below, then Spring here should be nice. March and April were well above average, May was average and that summer was above average




https://twitter.com/commoditywx/stat...37448761479173







But I'm starting to love the pattern as we head into the winter


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Old 11-16-2018, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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Yeah 09 and 10 are on a boat alone most other analog show a backloaded winter. 02-03 is the strongest analog I believe and that saw... cold through and through. Besides an early spring after a long winter has not been typical of this decade and likely won’t happen until climate shifts again. This decade has its own set of conditions dominated by an overpowered western ridge .
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Well if 2009-2010 is an analog as is stated below, then Spring here should be nice. March and April were well above average, May was average and that summer was above average




https://twitter.com/commoditywx/stat...37448761479173







But I'm starting to love the pattern as we head into the winter

I’ll only take it if the record cold winter has respectable snow and ice storms, otherwise, this winter could well be the worst winter ever for the plains and Midwest states, I.e. record cold and dry.
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Seoul
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Yeah 09 and 10 are on a boat alone most other analog show a backloaded winter. 02-03 is the strongest analog I believe and that saw... cold through and through. Besides an early spring after a long winter has not been typical of this decade and likely won’t happen until climate shifts again. This decade has its own set of conditions dominated by an overpowered western ridge .
2003 was the coldest year of the century over here. If 2002/03 and 2014/15 are analogs...yikes. We're in for a very very very bad time
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Old 11-16-2018, 03:44 PM
 
Location: White House, TN
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This has to be the one of the steepest, if not the steepest, drops in temperature on record from September to November.

November 1-16, the average is 53 / 37 F (12 / 3 C).
September 6-21, the average was 87 / 68 F (31 / 20 C).

So that's a 33 F / 18 C drop in less than two months.

I think we're going to have a quite cold winter. It's already pretty much winter now.

I think 2019 is going to have a Dfa climate with the coldest month of this winter having a mean of about 30 F / -1 C, maybe colder. That was the mean for January 2014. Average is about 36 F / 2 C.

2018 might even go Dfa if December's mean gets below freezing. January was close at 33 F / 1 C.
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Old 11-16-2018, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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^^^^^^^


Well A Dfa climate is still better than a subarctic climate, which is what central Indiana will most likely resemble for the winter of 2018/2019.
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Old 11-16-2018, 06:37 PM
 
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Yeah 09 and 10 are on a boat alone most other analog show a backloaded winter. 02-03 is the strongest analog I believe and that saw... cold through and through. Besides an early spring after a long winter has not been typical of this decade and likely won’t happen until climate shifts again. This decade has its own set of conditions dominated by an overpowered western ridge .
2002-2003 was definitely an awful spring and summer too.

Other analog years for this winter

1968-68: cold winter, very cold March, normal April-May almost record chilly June. Normal July-Aug


1976-77: brutal winter. Jan coldest on record. Very mild spring May warmest in record. Normal June, much above normal July, slightly below normal August


1977-78: brutal winter, brutal March near record cold. Near normal April, chilly May. Normal July, below normal July-Aug

1986-87: normal Dec-Jan. Much above normal Feb. Above normal spring, above normal summer


1994-95: above normal Dec. Normal Jan. Below normal Feb, March April and May. Scorching hot summer

2006-07: very mild Dec and Jan, extremely cold Feb. Above normal March, below normal April. Very warm May. Near normal summer

2014-15: mild Dec near normal January. February tied for coldest in record. Cold March, nice May, slightly below normal summer, with few hot spells of any..

This December is looking more interesting..take a look at this. Possible PV split??


https://twitter.com/Met_khinz/status...48232096235520
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Old 11-17-2018, 07:20 AM
 
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Weather Channel revised their winter forecast. HUGE difference. February looks like shades of 2015






and this is what they originally thought for December issued in mid October

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