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I wouldn't say can't...
but - it's the Law of Sowing and Reaping ---if you are sowing doubt and disinterest -
why on earth would 'it' come to you?
There has to be an opening at least that has to happen- you can say 'want' if you like...
I said think...you can say want, believe, need, pray for, ask, believe in ---whatever.
You can not slam a door closed and then expect to receive that which you desire....hahaha
and then blame God ...thought I would add that one.
like refusing to see the fig tree but complaining about the absence of figs.
Or wondering about the lack of God given common sense when the source is denied.
true, so long as I perceive a deity as the only way to define god it will be impossible to experience it.
It's impossible for you to experience anything without your brain/perception; no one can believe in (or 'experience') a god which hasn't been taught to them/perceived by the mind first.
It's impossible for you to experience anything without your brain/perception; no one can believe in (or 'experience') a god which hasn't been taught to them/perceived by the mind first.
yup, I agree with that. That's why NDE's is life experience based.
one thing though, if a brain state is repeated, do you think it would have the memories of the previous state even without direct experience?
It's impossible for you to experience anything without your brain/perception; no one can believe in (or 'experience') a god which hasn't been taught to them/perceived by the mind first.
Your idea of what is impossible needs work. Prior to my experience, I would have said and believed what you do. Trust me, you are mistaken.
Originally Posted by MysticPhD I am absolutely convinced I entered the spiritual realm - aka an altered state of our Reality. The overarching consciousness matched the descriptions of the Holy Spirit described in the Jesus narrative and the unconditional love and acceptance demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus despite horrendous scourging and crucifixion. I encountered no kind of light, an angel, or otherwise. I encountered a loving and accepting consciousness that was NOT mine but encompassed mine and a multitude of others. Words are simply not adequate to describe and relate the encounter or the "knowing" that accompanied it. But for me, it was unmistakable, utterly joyful, and erased my atheism instantly. Any resemblance at all to a God who would require a blood sacrifice of an innocent ANYTHING to appease His vengeance for ANY reason or to allow Him to forgive anyone is not remotely tenable.
Mystic, it absolutely floors me that you, an otherwise seemingly extremely intelligent individual of some years (did I understand it to be 60+) can refuse to at least concede that, given these experiences of yours were done in deep trance/medication and not the result of some serious medical situation in which you lost all vital signs, it's possible they were not genuine OBE's but simply altered states of consciousness in which you imagined your spirit traveled to the spiritual world. I mean can't at least grant it's possible?
It's impossible for you to experience anything without your brain/perception; no one can believe in (or 'experience') a god which hasn't been taught to them/perceived by the mind first.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Your idea of what is impossible needs work. Prior to my experience, I would have said and believed what you do. Trust me, you are mistaken.
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but your experience is what changed you, so it fits exactly what he said doesn't it?
No, it doesn't, Arach. I did NOT perceive God by my mind first. I was truly an atheist with zero expectations or interest in any God.
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