Atheism As A REJECTION OF--Not Disbelief In--An Evil God (after life, Mormon, church)
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Yes, things are subjective but we have a method that lessens error and bias. Its not perfect, and it won't shun things just because you don't religion, but its the best we have.
They are not universal anymore than how fast we run is. They are happening all over the place so we have to look at why that may be.
thats funny, you teach pel. she is like a light year ahead of me, you in relation to me, not so much.
How fast we run IS a universal truth. How people can't get their mental arms around universal truth is yet another something I find very puzzling and altogether too common. Too common for intelligent discussion anyway.
That's because they don't, since they are not universal.
And because they're highly subjective, which means they exist for you and you alone and no one else.
Strange how your god is totally incapable of discerning between subjectivity and objectivity.
I'd be happy to teach your god the difference.
Apparently you missed the entire thread of the conversation. I already covered that I believe these experiences are highly subjective and that I don't think they should matter to you [generalized atheist "you"] and have not said differently. If you did follow the thread of the conversation, you already know this, so then I'd ask, why the snark?
What I wonder is why some of those who claim those experiences don't matter to them so often are interjecting that fact into the conversations here. Not saying you shouldn't. Just wonder what the point is of you saying it? I mean, when a person posts that their experiences and/or beliefs should matter to everyone else, then sure, I can understand giving such a response. But, in a forum about spirituality and religion, it's not untoward for people to share their spiritual experiences and, perhaps, wish to discuss them with other people who are also having spiritual experiences,
Exactly the person I was thinking of, when I wrote my post, jones-ey. How about Helen Keller as another example? Or Bethany Hamilton? Or the numerous other people who are not in the news every day, but who live a life that's more closer to their own community?
Not EVERYONE who is going through some trial or tribulation believes that God is "evil" for inflicting such "pain" on them.
No. True, of course, but there are certainly many millions of people who have had good reason to think so. Right?
The so many millions of people who were brutally subjected to slavery also comes to mind...
Then again I know that many put their faith in God to endure such hardships, so where does that leave us?
*giving a parade for jones-sy*! Yes! Yes!! YES!!! It DOES work, as you said!
I believe in God AND the bible for the same reason: Because it works. It makes sense.
Lots of people believe in the Book of Mormon and the Koran also because it works for them!
Does that also make sense to you? If so, if this is the criteria for why you/we should believe in such things, which of all these books that seems to work for so many people is not worthy of our faith or belief in them?
You mean when we imagine a person is hot for us and they're not ---isn't that called delusion? Wishful thinking, thus, misreading signs?
Imagination is deliberate.
Being mistaken should not be confused with delusion and delusion should not be confused with imagination. Not as a general rule anyway. All very different things...
On what basis would you suggest we trust you (or anyone else)?
Just another anecdotal data point which when they accumulate suggests something is behind them even if we do not know what. It was in reference to the "impossible" characterization. BTW, could you try to be a little less pedantic in these discussions. The idiom I used is very common.
Last edited by MysticPhD; 05-03-2020 at 10:36 AM..
Apparently you missed the entire thread of the conversation. I already covered that I believe these experiences are highly subjective and that I don't think they should matter to you [generalized atheist "you"] and have not said differently. If you did follow the thread of the conversation, you already know this, so then I'd ask, why the snark?
What I wonder is why some of those who claim those experiences don't matter to them so often are interjecting that fact into the conversations here. Not saying you shouldn't. Just wonder what the point is of you saying it? I mean, when a person posts that their experiences and/or beliefs should matter to everyone else, then sure, I can understand giving such a response. But, in a forum about spirituality and religion, it's not untoward for people to share their spiritual experiences and, perhaps, wish to discuss them with other people who are also having spiritual experiences,
I think church might be the better place to go if the want is to discuss spiritual experiences with people who are also having spiritual experiences. This forum allows anyone to chime in no matter what they believe or what they want to discuss, so I wouldn't recommend this forum for spiritual people who want to bathe in spirituality with others. Yet, they keep coming back, again and again. Interesting, don't you think?
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Wishful thinking, thus, misreading signs?
