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Old 06-17-2022, 09:45 PM
 
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Ever think about this? America's 2-million-man prison population leaves almost one child per classroom without a father present at home. Assuming an average of one dependen child per prisoner. This is another potential benefit to sendding non-violent offenders home.
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Old 06-17-2022, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Texas
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It's hard for people who don't grow up in that kind of environment to understand what causes people to become this way.

Maybe some people are ill-fated and can't help themselves from behaving in certain ways.
Because no one is there for guidance. No one is there to listen to the kids problem.
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Old 06-17-2022, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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If no one makes people go to jobs the why would Ingraham have suggested people needed to be threatened with starvation to get them to go back to work.

You assume both parties have equal ability to walk away from the negotiating table. They do not. A necessitous person is not a free person.

If you generate more revenue and the employer is not increasing your pay, that is theft. Period. You just have a narrative constructed to try to justify it, again Ingraham gave it away. Watch the clip I linked a few times maybe it will sink in.
Lol. Quite the strawman argument. Don’t want to go to work then don’t go. Folks can start their own business.

Then a necessitous person should better themselves to make more if they want more.

Theft? LMAO. Don’t like your pay and who you’re working for go somewhere else, as your claim of theft holds zero water.
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Old 06-17-2022, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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If everyone “betters themselves” then that is the new baseline and people gain nothing for their effort. Bettering oneself does not mean that a better job will automatically appear.

Maybe you would just like us to repeat the mantra “I will work harder” until the body breaks and we are shipped off to the glue factory.

Quite Orwellian of you Napoleon.
Ifs mean nothing, and it’s obvious not everyone is bettering themselves as there’s many crying for things they didn’t earn…but please provide proof to bettering oneself does not mean a better job will appear? Unless you think it’s others obligation to contact one that has bettered themselves.

Actually, I’ve been taught work smarter not harder, and I’ve benefited from it greatly. I’ve also been taught you’re not entitled to anything you don’t earn, which has benefited me greatly. I could go on and on as it’s not hard to make money, and expecting anyone to give it to you because muh entitlement doesn’t work.
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Old 06-17-2022, 10:13 PM
 
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If no one makes people go to jobs the why would Ingraham have suggested people needed to be threatened with starvation to get them to go back to work.

You assume both parties have equal ability to walk away from the negotiating table. They do not. A necessitous person is not a free person.

If you generate more revenue and the employer is not increasing your pay, that is theft. Period. You just have a narrative constructed to try to justify it, again Ingraham gave it away. Watch the clip I linked a few times maybe it will sink in.
Wrong.

Unless the business was inherited, the owner took the risk of starting the business or buying it. The employee didn’t take that financial risk.

One of the perks of taking that risk is to, within the law, be able to make the decisions re that business.

It might be a bad business decision to assume such a posture, but an owner doesn’t owe an employee anything more than following the law.
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Old 06-18-2022, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Wrong.

Unless the business was inherited, the owner took the risk of starting the business or buying it. The employee didn’t take that financial risk.

One of the perks of taking that risk is to, within the law, be able to make the decisions re that business.

It might be a bad business decision to assume such a posture, but an owner doesn’t owe an employee anything more than following the law.
We've heard the justifications.
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Old 06-18-2022, 01:16 AM
 
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There is no lack of fathers. The are plenty of absent biological fathers not taking co-responsibility for the little human they made with their lover. The story goes: as soon as she says she's pregnant, guy puts pressure on her to get an abortion while he exits stage left.

I know not all men are like that but we all know it is a prevalent problem.Guys if you don't want to have a child get a reversible vasectomy. Anti-abortion lobbyists would not have to protest any more. Vasectomies would tend to eliminate abortion. There are instances of guys with vasectomies getting their partner pregnant but it's rare.

Methods of birth control available for women are not 100% effective. Condoms are the least effective of all of them.

It really is weird that men tell us women it's our fault we got pregnant because we did not keep our knees together or we wore short skirts or we bent over in low rise jeans and our thong showed. Yet, all the while the end goal of a man's pursuit is intercourse, using every tactic they can dream up to persuade us to spread 'em after we have already refused.

Do guys ever say "No"?
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Old 06-18-2022, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Sandusky, Ohio
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There is no lack of fathers. The are plenty of absent biological fathers not taking co-responsibility for the little human they made with their lover. The story goes: as soon as she says she's pregnant, guy puts pressure on her to get an abortion while he exits stage left.

I know not all men are like that but we all know it is a prevalent problem.Guys if you don't want to have a child get a reversible vasectomy. Anti-abortion lobbyists would not have to protest any more. Vasectomies would tend to eliminate abortion. There are instances of guys with vasectomies getting their partner pregnant but it's rare.

Methods of birth control available for women are not 100% effective. Condoms are the least effective of all of them.

It really is weird that men tell us women it's our fault we got pregnant because we did not keep our knees together or we wore short skirts or we bent over in low rise jeans and our thong showed. Yet, all the while the end goal of a man's pursuit is intercourse, using every tactic they can dream up to persuade us to spread 'em after we have already refused.

Do guys ever say "No"?
Yes. Men who have standards do anyway and by standards I am not referring to appearance alone.
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Old 06-18-2022, 03:07 AM
 
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We've heard the justifications.

Yet you're still not enlightened.


How sad.
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Old 06-18-2022, 03:17 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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There are more weak men around and women aren't attracted to weak men. Society encourages novelty and new experiences so even if they would be happy for a while they would eventually grow bored and want more stimulation. As long as we reward people for having kids out of wedlock we are always going to have a problem with no fathers around. As long as we allow a no-fault divorces and give women the benefit of the doubt in divorce proceedings there's always going to be problems.

It's a travesty when one partner leaves the other just because they get bored and want something new and break up a family these people should be punished by Society male or female. Unfortunately we are just victims of our own nature... attraction is not rational and you can't negotiate attraction as all the normal people will tell you. Even in this red area women cheat on their boyfriends and husbands all the time. Men do it too but women do it more it's just the facts. It's hard to want to trust them.

Women should be more careful who they have sex with. It's amazing how many of the most deadbeat fathers have no problem getting dozens of women to sleep with them. Unfortunately we can't control these urges often times. We used to through cultural constraints that would keep our evolutionary nature in check but with Classical liberalism all those constraints are out the window.

I say all this is the guy who is still quite shy and is getting better with women and it's amazing the difference in response you get just by a few simple changes with your personality. It's almost like a hack or a cheat code and it's rather obnoxious it actually turns me off to female nature and human nature in general. I'm not a huge fan of cocky banter but it's a necessary evil. The main issue is women don't find most men very attractive. It's just Evolution and it's not going to get better any time soon. A realistic alternative would simply be to allow people to sleep with other partners within a marriage ... I see this as gradually becoming the new Norm.


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