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Old 06-17-2022, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by odinloki1 View Post
People don’t agree to take jobs. Laura Ingraham gave away the conservative lie on that one.

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-laur...212149256.html

and worker productivity over the past 40 years has soared while wages stagnate.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...wages-stagnate

So workers are generating more but their wages stay the same and you call them entitled.

The data and the pro business conservative pundit aren’t lying.

Get with reality.
Wages under Trump climbed at and overall rate of 3.5% per year, while he kept inflation flat. The lowest income wage earners during Trump's presidency saw 4% gains, the most wage increases. The higher income earners saw lower wage gains, but still around 3%. Biden has caused inflation and real wages are sliding down

Trump's Blue Collar Boom: Earnings rising fastest for lowest-paid workers - January 28, 2020

According to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, wage growth among low-wage workers has recently outpaced that of high-wage workers. Pay for the bottom quarter of wage earners, for example, rose 4.5 percent in November, compared with 2.9 percent for the highest 25 percent of earners. The data also showed that wage growth during the period among low-skilled workers grew at the same pace as that of high-skill workers.

As reported by The New York Times, recent pay growth among low-wage workers outpaced that of high-wage workers by the widest margin in at least 20 years.


Pay Is Rising Fastest for Low Earners. One Reason? Minimum Wages. - Jan. 3, 2020

Increases in minimum wages across the country may make the labor market look a bit rosier than it really is.

These days, wages in the United States are doing something extraordinary: They’re growing faster at the bottom than at the top. In fact, recent growth for workers with low wages has outpaced that for high-wage workers by the widest margin in at least 20 years.

Wage pressure from minimum wage workers is magnified when you look at only the lowest wages. That’s because while minimum wage work makes up about 6 percent of all usual hours worked, it’s around 13 percent of hours worked by Americans in the bottom third of wages.

As the analysis has shown us, wage growth at the bottom is doing well. It has been around 4.1 percent over the last two years — above the 3.6 percent at the top end, and above the overall average of 3.9 percent.


Wages Rising: The US Economy Is Now Working Best for Lower-wage Workers

And then Biden enters from stage left and our economy and wages tank.


Inflation has taken away all the wage gains for workers and then some - Nov 10 2021
  • Real average hourly earnings when accounting for inflation, actually decreased 0.5% for the month. A 0.9% inflation increase negated a 0.4% rise in wages.
  • Consumer confidence has been sliding despite the rising wages, which are up nearly 5% nominally year over year but have declined 1.2% in real terms.
  • The Fed finds itself under increasing pressure to adjust policy accordingly.
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Old 06-17-2022, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Sandusky, Ohio
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Human fathers generally lack the instinct to care for their offspring. The same is true for many other mammal species.

Historically, the solution to this problem was to give fathers *absolute power* over their wives and children, so that fathers would stick around and shoulder the burden of family life. The only thing men crave as much as sex is power and authority over others, so that arrangement kind of worked. It wasn’t so great for all of the battered and abused women and children, but at least they had food and a roof overhead.

Like it or not, that was the traditional “social contract” in most societies until the 1960s and 70s. Now, the government has things like child support to make sure that offspring can survive. Not ideal, but it probably means fewer battered wives and children.
Speak for yourself. I raised 4 children who are all responsible and generally happy adults. I've achieved many things in this life and they all pale in comparison to that accomplishment.

I was inspired by the fact that my own father abandoned my brothers and I when I was an infant.

Posts like yours that paint all men in the same light are simply incorrect.
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Old 06-17-2022, 06:35 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Wapasha View Post
Wages under Trump climbed at and overall rate of 3.5% per year, while he kept inflation flat. The lowest income wage earners during Trump's presidency saw 4% gains, the most wage increases. The higher income earners saw lower wage gains, but still around 3%. Biden has caused inflation and real wages are sliding down

Trump's Blue Collar Boom: Earnings rising fastest for lowest-paid workers - January 28, 2020

According to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, wage growth among low-wage workers has recently outpaced that of high-wage workers. Pay for the bottom quarter of wage earners, for example, rose 4.5 percent in November, compared with 2.9 percent for the highest 25 percent of earners. The data also showed that wage growth during the period among low-skilled workers grew at the same pace as that of high-skill workers.

As reported by The New York Times, recent pay growth among low-wage workers outpaced that of high-wage workers by the widest margin in at least 20 years.


Pay Is Rising Fastest for Low Earners. One Reason? Minimum Wages. - Jan. 3, 2020

Increases in minimum wages across the country may make the labor market look a bit rosier than it really is.

These days, wages in the United States are doing something extraordinary: They’re growing faster at the bottom than at the top. In fact, recent growth for workers with low wages has outpaced that for high-wage workers by the widest margin in at least 20 years.

Wage pressure from minimum wage workers is magnified when you look at only the lowest wages. That’s because while minimum wage work makes up about 6 percent of all usual hours worked, it’s around 13 percent of hours worked by Americans in the bottom third of wages.

As the analysis has shown us, wage growth at the bottom is doing well. It has been around 4.1 percent over the last two years — above the 3.6 percent at the top end, and above the overall average of 3.9 percent.


Wages Rising: The US Economy Is Now Working Best for Lower-wage Workers

And then Biden enters from stage left and our economy and wages tank.


Inflation has taken away all the wage gains for workers and then some - Nov 10 2021
  • Real average hourly earnings when accounting for inflation, actually decreased 0.5% for the month. A 0.9% inflation increase negated a 0.4% rise in wages.
  • Consumer confidence has been sliding despite the rising wages, which are up nearly 5% nominally year over year but have declined 1.2% in real terms.
  • The Fed finds itself under increasing pressure to adjust policy accordingly.
Not sure why people seem to ignore this.
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Old 06-17-2022, 06:50 PM
 
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Speak for yourself. I raised 4 children who are all responsible and generally happy adults. I've achieved many things in this life and they all pale in comparison to that accomplishment.

I was inspired by the fact that my own father abandoned my brothers and I when I was an infant.

Posts like yours that paint all men in the same light are simply incorrect.
It occurred to me some years ago that we become the parent we wanted to have.

At least that's what happened at my house.
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Old 06-17-2022, 07:01 PM
 
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Or they’re unhappy because their wives make them that way…and let’s not act like the woman didn’t have a choice who to mate/marry. It’s a 2 way street, but funny how only the man is blamed…and many don’t leave because they can’t make it on their own. Again, poor planning on not looking ahead to consequences that can occur, yet there’s sOOO many examples to learn from.
My mother was widowed at a young age. This was in the late 50s. She had little education and no marketable skills, as she married in her teens. She most likely married my stepdad because she had a young child to care for and had no way to do that. It wasn't all bad with my stepdad, but he had terrible anger management issues. It would probably have been good if he had been able to take medication for his depression.
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Old 06-17-2022, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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My mother was widowed at a young age. This was in the late 50s. She had little education and no marketable skills, as she married in her teens. She most likely married my stepdad because she had a young child to care for and had no way to do that. It wasn't all bad with my stepdad, but he had terrible anger management issues. It would probably have been good if he had been able to take medication for his depression.
As I said, a choice who to marry and when to get married.
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Old 06-17-2022, 07:47 PM
 
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Actually in reality the lack of a father is highly correlated with problems about boundaries. Both Obama and Clinton suffered from this. It is innate and when dad is gone, it is very hard to replace.

Men are irreplaceable.
I was going to say……and look at the women they married.

One of them called the campaign manager of the congressional candidate her husband lost a congressional race to a FJB (She denied that she said this, but the campaign manager passed a lie detector test…which of course she hasn’t submitted to)…….and the other woman said that (in February of 2008) that for the first time in her adult life she was proud of her country because people were hungry for change.
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Old 06-17-2022, 09:05 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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At least 75% of all the problems we see in our society today have to do with no father in the house.

Mass shootings, theft, assaults, drug use, school dropout rates, you name it.
It's hard for people who don't grow up in that kind of environment to understand what causes people to become this way.

Maybe some people are ill-fated and can't help themselves from behaving in certain ways.
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Old 06-17-2022, 09:28 PM
 
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Nobody makes anyone show up to work and agree to take a job.

And for those that think they’re working too hard, there’s plenty of other jobs available.

Nope, I said entitled is thinking they deserve more than what they agreed to work for, and thinking they deserve what others do without working for it.

I’m certainly living in reality. Plan ahead for ones future and one won’t put themselves in less than ideal conditions. Poor planning doesn’t constitute entitlement from others.
If no one makes people go to jobs the why would Ingraham have suggested people needed to be threatened with starvation to get them to go back to work.

You assume both parties have equal ability to walk away from the negotiating table. They do not. A necessitous person is not a free person.

If you generate more revenue and the employer is not increasing your pay, that is theft. Period. You just have a narrative constructed to try to justify it, again Ingraham gave it away. Watch the clip I linked a few times maybe it will sink in.
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Old 06-17-2022, 09:31 PM
 
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Bingo…but it’s easier to be an “American whiner” and expect things to change instead of bettering oneself to make things better.
If everyone “betters themselves” then that is the new baseline and people gain nothing for their effort. Bettering oneself does not mean that a better job will automatically appear.

Maybe you would just like us to repeat the mantra “I will work harder” until the body breaks and we are shipped off to the glue factory.

Quite Orwellian of you Napoleon.
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