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Old 06-17-2022, 11:53 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Using fatherhood, or lack thereof, to let broken systems off the hook.

For example....lack of fatherhood is NOT the cause of gun violence! A system allowing excessive access to guns does!
There are two different approaches here. You are focusing on gun violence in this example.

Bottom up, rebuild the family unit, promote it, support it to raise kids who don't end up in an environment thinking shooting everyone is the right thing to do.

And a top down. Get big government to intervene.
Letting personal responsibility Off the hook.
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Old 06-17-2022, 11:59 AM
 
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The exception is not the rule. Obama attended exclusive rich private schools in Hawaii and was living in India growing up.

Kids need both parents if you want to increase the chance of their success.

[url]https://financesonline.com/single-parent-statistics/[/url]
What all families need is a support network. As I stated earlier, both my father and my grandmother grew up in homes without fathers, but they didn't do it alone. They had a lot of help both from their extended family and from financial support for widows. My grandmother attended a local secretarial college in the '40s and ended up doing very well professionally. My father attended a state university, joined the Air Force, and had a very successful military career. Why is it that the kind of support their mothers received is now seen as something negative?
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Old 06-17-2022, 11:59 AM
 
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Using fatherhood, or lack thereof, to let broken systems off the hook.

For example....lack of fatherhood is NOT the cause of gun violence! A system allowing excessive access to guns does!
Ok, so let's go with that...let's say there are excessive guns.

Then why are those that then use the excessive guns to shoot people not widespread across the country and instead concentrated in a relatively small number of neighborhoods. Why are the shooters disproportionately without fathers involved in their lives making them more likely to live in poverty and susceptible to gang recruitment?

You've bought into a cheap and easy excuse that let's folks off the hook for not raising their kids. Politicians love that, they don't want to anger the voters so they help blame anything else.

Zero personal responsibility is not a recipe for success in life and you see it every day in life.
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Old 06-17-2022, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Children need unconditional love to grow and mature. Where they get it, whether from fathers, mothers, or a combination of the two, is of less than no importance.
Love costs money.

It’s not free to provide the “unconditional love†of quality public or private education, safe secure neighborhood and housing, healthcare, stability through economic downturns, high quality and plentiful food, and everything else needed to make sure a child has the highest chance of success in a world of cutthroat capitalism sink or swim.

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Old 06-17-2022, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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What all families need is a support network.
All families need money to raise children, and statistically 2 parent households can do that far better than 1 parent households.
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Old 06-17-2022, 12:07 PM
 
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Using fatherhood, or lack thereof, to let broken systems off the hook.

For example....lack of fatherhood is NOT the cause of gun violence! A system allowing excessive access to guns is!
Not so sure. I see families where the parents lack morality and set poor examples through language and deed. This is all the children know and grow up with no or skewed values. A gun in moral hands is a tool. In amoral hands, a weapon.
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Old 06-17-2022, 12:12 PM
 
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All families need money to raise children, and statistically 2 parent households can do that far better than 1 parent households.
Yes, I agree with you there, but my question remains: why is the kind of financial support that my grandmother and g-grandmother received that allowed them to stay home and raise their children until school-aged now seen as some sort of failure? (I know what it is, and you do, too, but I thought I'd just bring it up and see where the conversation goes.)
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Old 06-17-2022, 12:34 PM
 
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I'm surprised so many men support the notion that men are to blame for our problems.
Or, to look at it another way....woman just can't get the job done.

In reality though, it's a combination of both. Raising and nurturing a child requires balance and team work, which is generally accomplished by two loving caring parents that work together. Yes, there are exceptions, and for single parents, they have to work twice as hard to accomplish the same thing.
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Old 06-17-2022, 12:55 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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What all families need is a support network.
That network is where the father earns the dough and the mother nurtures the children.

You can't get away from reality. It has a way of reasserting itself.
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Old 06-17-2022, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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