Coronavirus in Massachusetts (camps, remodel, degree)

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

I was being generous, but yes, I agree. I consider Fox News to be a propaganda station with just enough straight news to provide a veneer of legitimacy. I say this as someone who reads a fair amount of center-right editorials which I view as sincere policy thinking.

The core problem is many Americans, perhaps even the majority, do not fundamentally understand the difference between "news" and "editorials". It's why many view NPR as a leftist news outlet despite NPRs actual reporting being no more biased than traditional "neutral" sources like the AP. And others think Hannity is "the news" ... GUH.

while i do not watch fox news i do watch youtube clips of tucker carlson where i agree with him more then other fox news hosts. He has to debate the opposition and does a very good job. Hannity is just talking points and is VERY boring to listen to.

[MassVt]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

A DO from Western University of Health Sciences at an urgent care clinic in Bakersfield absolutely doesn't have the training of a top physician. Western University of Health Sciences doesn't do internships at top teaching hospitals and the guy didn't go through a strong residency program. He's not an infectious disease specialist. He's a meatball family medicine guy who is a partner in a backwater urgent care business.

I agree--an osteopath , from a second-rate school of health sciences working in an urgent care office in Bakersfield? Stay away!

Exhibit #1047 of why Faux News is such a joke.

[Robert5]

Originally Posted by id77

Very serious complications in 20+% of the cases when we don't even know how many asymptomatic people there are? Or how many have had it and didn't get tested because they were mild or recovered on their own? So what's this 20+%, then? Of those that were serious enough to go to the hospital, 20% of those?

I wish people would just stop it with acting like this is the single most dangerous thing to have ever happened to humanity. I seriously think some of you would be less upset and anxious about a giant asteroid hurtling toward the earth.

I agree. The "20% long term complications rate for those that get the virus" is a big pet peeve of mine. I think it is the most overt lie of this entire panic. When it was first reported by many in the news media five weeks ago, it had no real source, and appears in retrospect to have been a conflation of the numbers of those that were put on respirators with those getting the infection. Yes there have been people that have gotten blood clots and lost fingers or limbs, but those case are few and far between. It appears now that the long term (>6 months) complication rate is actually lower than the death rate.

[rach5]

Originally Posted by Robert5

I agree. The "20% long term complications rate for those that get the virus" is a big pet peeve of mine. I think it is the most overt lie of this entire panic. When it was first reported by many in the news media five weeks ago, it had no real source, and appears in retrospect to have been a conflation of the numbers of those that were put on respirators with those getting the infection. Yes there have been people that have gotten blood clots and lost fingers or limbs, but those case are few and far between. It appears now that the long term (>6 months) complication rate is actually lower than the death rate.

Hmm, how about lung fibrosis, stroke, heart damage? And how do you know the >6 months complications? The virus hasn't been around long enough...

[Robert5]

Originally Posted by rach5

Hmm, how about lung fibrosis, stroke, heart damage? And how do you know the >6 months complications? The virus hasn't been around long enough...

The fact that we are not hearing numerous news stories of hundreds of thousands of people with long term complications is evidence that they are not common. In this high profile situation, absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You are essentially claiming there are hundreds of thousands of people with long term health conditions and this is not being reported by the media, that is an extraordinary claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, provide it if you have it.

I don't understand your other question/point about the virus hasn't been around long enough. It isn't like there is any reason to believe that those that have recovered from the virus will spontaneously develop a new heart or lung condition 3 months post recovery.

[Amontillado]

Massachusetts health officials on Monday reported that 104 more people have died from the coronavirus as the number of confirmed cases increased by 1,524.

The 104 new deaths bring the state’s COVID-19 death toll to 3,003, the state Department of Public Health announced.
The state now has 56,462 confirmed cases of the highly contagious disease, an increase of 1,524 cases since Sunday.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/04...-surpass-3000/

[Steephill2]

Originally Posted by Robert5

The fact that we are not hearing numerous news stories of hundreds of thousands of people with long term complications is evidence that they are not common. In this high profile situation, absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You are essentially claiming there are hundreds of thousands of people with long term health conditions and this is not being reported by the media, that is an extraordinary claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, provide it if you have it.

I don't understand your other question/point about the virus hasn't been around long enough. It isn't like there is any reason to believe that those that have recovered from the virus will spontaneously develop a new heart or lung condition 3 months post recovery.

I think if you said 3 month post recovery rather than 6 months people would have understand your point better. I was thrown off a bit when you said > 6 months since the virus is only like 4-5 months old. There are some people, unsure how many, who have a long road ahead in terms of recovery.

[LeavingMA]

Originally Posted by rach5

Hmm, how about lung fibrosis, stroke, heart damage? And how do you know the >6 months complications? The virus hasn't been around long enough...

It is interesting when something even remote they can link to the virus comes about they broadcast it and shout it from a mountaintop, but they don't talk or consider the 90% or more that have gotten this and survived with little to no issues. It is just so one sided.

[Robert5]

Originally Posted by Steephill2

I think if you said 3 month post recovery rather than 6 months people would have understand your point better. I was thrown off a bit when you said > 6 months since the virus is only like 4-5 months old. There are some people, unsure how many, who have a long road ahead in terms of recovery.

thanks. As I understand it, medical researchers define 'long term problems' as those still present 6+ months past the infection.

[Arya Stark]

Yesterday was definitely a low day nationally on numbers of cases and deaths. Perhaps we are turning a corner.