Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Worcester: station, network, policy)

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

People can not use conspiracy theory for every argument. its weak and very lazy. it was a term used to broadly discredit anyone. you can label anything a conspiracy theory. some people question ideas while others blindly accept them.

But it's totally backwards when somebody disregards every expert opinion as well as hard data and facts, while giving very little scrutiny to more questionable theories that simply agrees with what they want to believe. It's a pretty poor reflection on one's judgement, IMHO.

[yesmaybe]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck can.

If you're willing to let the body bags mostly filled with poor people pile up, you can certainly open things back up without testing, tracing, and quarantining.

The deaths are almost entirely 70+ with some in the 60s. Average age who has died in MA is 81. It isn't quite a rich poor thing.

[robr2]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

So you believe an urgent care physician in Bakersfield CA with a DO from poorly rated Western University of Health Sciences is somehow an "expert"?

...and to top it off - the video is preceded by an ad for The Epoch Times.

[BostonMike7]

Originally Posted by robr2

...and to top it off - the video is preceded by an ad for The Epoch Times.

I don't think they are related. Epoch Times has been preceeding a lot of youtube vids with their ads lately. I've been watching vids on MIG welding lately and every single one has an ad for that newspaper. My youtube search history has nothing to do with Covid or politics..

[porterhouse]

Originally Posted by BostonMike7

I've been watching vids on MIG welding lately and every single one has an ad for that newspaper. My youtube search history has nothing to do with Covid or politics..

Youtube is owned by Google, they are getting data from elsewhere (perhaps even the speaker of your phone) and using it to serve you ads.

[mdovell]

kind of off topic but advertising has changed significantly over the past few months. Facebook ads have been dramatically changed because you can't advertise anything for political rallies or sporting events or for seeing a movie in the movie theater. I'm seeing much more smaller company ads for products that I would never see advertised before.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/19/as-d...ggressive.html

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

So you believe an urgent care physician in Bakersfield CA with a DO from poorly rated Western University of Health Sciences is somehow an "expert"?

when do we quarentine healthy people because normally we only quarentine the sick?

[RBThescot]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Isn't there already an effective treatment for this- convalesant plasma.

Most world class medical research geniuses like you would know to spell "convalescent" correctly.

https://ccpp19.org/index.html

[id77]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

What makes you think you can't avoid contracting the disease before there's at least a fairly effective treatment? I had lots of years where I didn't get a flu shot where I didn't get the flu during a big flu season and that's with tons of business travel, conference rooms, restaurants, etc. If you live in single family home suburbia with no children in the house, don't use pubic transportation, telecommute most of the time, and adopt germ-o-phobe behavior in public, you should be able to dodge getting the disease indefinitely.

First of all, exposure != contracting. Now that we've cleared that one up...

A treatment is an unknown still. I could be waiting years for that to happen. That's potentially years of total isolation if I want a 100% avoidance (I don't, but since we're asking why I think one cannot simply evade exposure here).

I don't live in a single family home, I don't live in the suburbs, I have children in the house, I don't need to use public transportation for now, but that does mean I have to walk to places in Boston instead (I could drive to the suburbs, though...that seems pointless), and all the germ-o-phobe adoption in the world won't avoid exposure. Why? People who aren't germophobes walk past my front door (interior) daily. Hundreds of people, many of whom aren't germophobes, walk past my front door (exterior) daily. They sit on my steps. They touch my car. They spit on the sidewalk. They spill drinks. The air all around me is filled with everything from germs to bus exhaust. That's exposure.

I have to eat sometime, and groceries have been touched by many unknowns. Even if I do the germophobe cleaning of all food and items that come in, there's inevitably going to be a point I have to come in close contact with something or someone who could be a carrier. That's exposure.

Maybe someone who's so irrational about this they're wearing a cleansuit to the door and disinfecting everything in a dirty room before taking food into a hermetically sealed home could live this out, though that's not much of a way to live...especially if a treatment is years away (or never). Those types of places don't exist around here to my knowledge. Most of these buildings were built over 120 years ago. We can't even keep rats out of the buildings, never mind a virus.

No, sir. Exposure is an inevitability in all but the most extreme of extreme isolation, and that's going to invite even bigger problems than exposure. I pity those who are so afraid of the possibility of death that they forfeit any actual living in exchange for being alive.

As you yourself state, I can go out and do things that expose me without necessarily catching it, and that's exactly the risk I've chosen to accept. I've almost certainly been exposed to it though, and there's a nonzero chance I've already had it, so I cannot say with even a remote confidence that I've "avoided" exposure or that I will ever be able to.

[mdovell]

From the health dept where I am the cases are about 1,000. Which is about 0.6% of the population. At the same point exposure can be when these people go out and about as we don't have a mandatory order to stay at home. Not all show symptoms and not all technically are "sick". But...we also have a high elderly population in the region. A number of people I know in the area easily in their 70s.

Am I afraid of it?

No not really. I wash my hands, wear a mask, maybe wear gloves and use a sanitizer in the kitchen. Do I clean my mail, paper currency and have a air filter going with UV? No of course not.

But I also know there are many people that have weaken immune systems. If you are pregnant you have one, if you are obese, if you are in rehab you have one, if you are forms of medication for other aliments you have one (read the fine print etc). Now obviously we don't advertise "Don't do crack you might catch the flu!" but a significant amount of the population does fall into these groups.

https://www.brcrecovery.com/addictio...immune-system/
https://americanpregnancy.org/pregna...hile-pregnant/

What I am afraid is people that might have it and be fine that spread it to others. Until we have a vaccine people might not go out. I had a professor long ago that due to a heart condition could not drive. Likewise if other people cannot come in we're just going to have to telecommute. There's a difference between the government giving the OK and the costs of the businesses to accommodate that for their business plans.