Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Provincetown: year-round, tenant, live)

[LeavingMA]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

Definitely not a position we agree on.

Although I don't agree with your logic about letting people die, I've heard too many on the other side blame unvaccinated people for everything. Unfortunately (no one will believe me), I know way more who have died within 2 weeks of the vaccine than died of covid.

If the vaccine is so incredible, why are vaccinated scared of those who are not? Countries and states are showing all these so called "break through" cases cause quite frankly as anyone who read the studies knows the vaccines don't stop from getting or transmitting the virus. I was censored for this before, but now they are admitting it, and saying it keeps from getting severe symptoms; which is a hypothetical. The fact they refuse to acknowledge natural immunity and are trying to push a vaccine on kids show this is nothing but political.

The vaccine companies should help those that are injured from the vaccine (oh that never happens), but they can't cause then they would have to admit this so called vaccine isn't safe. It already has the worst track record ever by far by VAERS or the EU counterpart, and should have been shut down. We can't do that cause everyone would have to admit they were wrong. There is also V-safe which the CDC refuses to release the data from. I'm sure if it was so safe, they would have already told us, but nope that is private.

Currently the outbreaks are from vaccinated people (Cape Cod and Texas Democrats for example), but let's not talk about that. Meanwhile, nobody I know who already had this and is not vaccinated has been sick or spread it again. I thought I would have to wait until cold season to see the results from this vaccine, but it is already showing it does nothing. Please go get the booster, the pharmaceutical companies don't need the money and are donating it for others (yea right). The vaccine just creates spike proteins in your body, the same thing we were supposed to avoid from the virus. Let us vaccinate like other highly vaccinated countries like the UK, Israel, Gibraltar, and Iceland cause it makes people feel safe and does nothing.

https://nworeport.me/2021/07/30/gibr...on-vaccinated/

[OutdoorLover]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

He'd be better served being a Buckleyite versus a privileged man prone to conspiracies. He's still pushing Wakefield's bunk autism rhetoric tied the thimerosal/mercury narrative.

Yeah, I have some very left friends who still prescribe to these beliefs, but unlike the current right-wing rhetoric their beliefs are very much outside of party ideology ... fringe and openly questioned. HOwever, it remains a problem and I won't try and justify their positions as I don't believe they rationalized themselves into said positions.

In short, RFK jr holds very little credibility these days amongst the 'left', unlike pundits like Carlson who quite literally has the most popular cable news shows in the US. I know you love to paint the left as mutually or more destructive, but in this instance the mainstream left is embracing vaccinations at scale. This is obvious when one reviews the vaccine rates by county.

Exactly - and it's not just a coincidence that political party is so strongly associated with refusal to use public health measures to fight Covid-19. I don't blame the individual laity - it's the constant drumbeat from rightwing political leaders and rightwing media figures, GOP laity hear it everywhere:

• don't trust doctors
• don't trust scientists
• don't trust the FDA, NIH and CDC
• masks, social distancing and vaccines don't work
• masks and vaccines are dangerous
• the death toll is greatly exaggerated by scientific and medical experts and public health authorities
• this is all a great conspiracy - they're all in on it, they're trying to implant chips in you, they're trying to achieve mind control, just like the Nazis, they're working with China, etc, etc
• Covid-19 is only dangerous to an insignificant number of people, and it won't hurt you

...all DEAD wrong! Political party should have no correlation with willingness to believe the science and accept public health measures, none. Instead it's the most important explanatory variable, because of constant negative, false mass messaging from Donald Trump all the way down.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by LeavingMA

Although I don't agree with your logic about letting people die, I've heard too many on the other side blame unvaccinated people for everything. Unfortunately (no one will believe me), I know way more who have died within 2 weeks of the vaccine than died of covid.

If the vaccine is so incredible, why are vaccinated scared of those who are not? Countries and states are showing all these so called "break through" cases cause quite frankly as anyone who read the studies knows the vaccines don't stop from getting or transmitting the virus. I was censored for this before, but now they are admitting it, and saying it keeps from getting severe symptoms; which is a hypothetical. The fact they refuse to acknowledge natural immunity and are trying to push a vaccine on kids show this is nothing but political.

The vaccine companies should help those that are injured from the vaccine (oh that never happens), but they can't cause then they would have to admit this so called vaccine isn't safe. It already has the worst track record ever by far by VAERS or the EU counterpart, and should have been shut down. We can't do that cause everyone would have to admit they were wrong. There is also V-safe which the CDC refuses to release the data from. I'm sure if it was so safe, they would have already told us, but nope that is private.

Currently the outbreaks are from vaccinated people (Cape Cod and Texas Democrats for example), but let's not talk about that. Meanwhile, nobody I know who already had this and is not vaccinated has been sick or spread it again. I thought I would have to wait until cold season to see the results from this vaccine, but it is already showing it does nothing. Please go get the booster, the pharmaceutical companies don't need the money and are donating it for others (yea right). The vaccine just creates spike proteins in your body, the same thing we were supposed to avoid from the virus. Let us vaccinate like other highly vaccinated countries like the UK, Israel, Gibraltar, and Iceland cause it makes people feel safe and does nothing.

https://nworeport.me/2021/07/30/gibr...on-vaccinated/

I never said anything about "letting people die." Quite the contrary actually. You're attributing someone else's remarks to me.

[justyouraveragetenant]

https://people.com/health/fully-vacc...ovid-outbreak/.

This speaks for itself.

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

The problem is--facts are facts, and not subject to quackery and opinions. If you get cancer, do you question your oncologist's choice of treatment? And cancer has been around forever. Yet, there seems to be all these homegrown "experts" on a disease which emerged 20 months ago!

The intolerance you're feeling is because attitudes like this are largely responsible for thousands continuing to die everyday.

You only call them facts because you agree with it. You are not a truth or a facts czar. I post facts and people disagree with it if it does not fit thier narrative.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by OutdoorLover

Exactly - and it's not just a coincidence that political party is so strongly associated with refusal to use public health measures to fight Covid-19. I don't blame the individual laity - it's the constant drumbeat from rightwing political leaders and rightwing media figures, GOP laity hear it everywhere:

• don't trust doctors
• don't trust scientists
• don't trust the FDA, NIH and CDC
• masks, social distancing and vaccines don't work
• masks and vaccines are dangerous
• the death toll is greatly exaggerated by scientific and medical experts and public health authorities
• this is all a great conspiracy - they're all in on it, they're trying to implant chips in you, they're trying to achieve mind control, just like the Nazis, they're working with China, etc, etc
• Covid-19 is only dangerous to an insignificant number of people, and it won't hurt you

...all DEAD wrong! Political party should have no correlation with willingness to believe the science and accept public health measures, none. Instead it's the most important explanatory variable, because of constant negative, false mass messaging from Donald Trump all the way down.

You have been politicizing this topic every day here. The media have been politicizing this topic everyday and every time they intimidate or shut down a free and open exchange of views they drive more people away from vaccines. I for one trust the FDA which is why I ask, why is it not yet FDA approved? Most people trust scientists, but when debate is shut down, that goes out the window. And you do know why institutional research boards came about, right? You do know why research ethics is a thing, right? You have read about the numerous ethical lapses of Big Pharma, no? And if you don't know why certain groups including blacks might not be so willing to give their complete faith and trust to certain parties, then you don't know much about history. This blanket level of "trust" in all people involved in science might sound heartwarming to you, but it doesn't come without being earned. Do you think you will win them over with your incessant politicization and intimidation? Do you think labeling people uneducated and dumb (including nurses I might add) is a sound strategy to win people over? Do you think anyone wants to try and engage with a hysterical demeaning bully who continually tries to pass off the above as "rational argument" and blame anyone who disagrees with any point you make as being the "cause" of all this??? Please.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

I am seriously doubting your critical thinking.

This pegs the irony meter.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

You only call them facts because you agree with it. You are not a truth or a facts czar. I post facts and people disagree with it if it does not fit thier narrative.

Point is--you need to seriously question when people come out of the woodwork and claim expertise on a disease that's been around for less than 2 yrs. Instead, you're accepting their word for it, vs. the decades of science on immunology and epidemiology. Patently absurd. Believe what you believe, just don't endanger the lives of others.

[YevTK]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

https://people.com/health/fully-vacc...ovid-outbreak/.

This speaks for itself.

Yes, "The vaccines are working".

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by YevTK

Yes, "The vaccines are working".

If you had any idea the destruction this thing did in India, you'd understand that they are in fact working.

Working perfectly? No.