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Old 09-27-2021, 08:54 AM
 
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freedom is an ugly word in Massachusetts and I believe it's banned.
oh you are so right!
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Old 09-27-2021, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Woburn, MA / W. Hartford, CT
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freedom is an ugly word in Massachusetts and I believe it's banned.
There is no FREEDOM to get others sick and keep perpetuating a public health crisis. That's what the other "side" continuously fails to grasp. It ceases to be a matter of personal choice and personal freedom at that point.
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Old 09-27-2021, 11:12 AM
 
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There is no FREEDOM to get others sick and keep perpetuating a public health crisis. That's what the other "side" continuously fails to grasp. It ceases to be a matter of personal choice and personal freedom at that point.
The vaccinated pass this virus too
Viruses are apart of life. You can't restrict freedoms for something that is natural. You have no right NOT to get sick. You can always stay home. This virus had a 99 percent survival rate . Body autonomy must be preserved.

The vaccine has risks. The masks are unhealthy and some may have graphene. Graphene is unsafe just like graphene oxide. If there is a risk people need to choose.

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Old 09-27-2021, 11:15 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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Viruses are apart of life. You can't restrict freedoms for something that is natural. You have no right NOT to get sick. You can always stay home. This virus had a 99 percent survival rate . Body autonomy must be preserved.


Sure you can. I can't take a dump in public, its against the law. Or do sexual acts outside in public, its against the law. There are tons of "natural" things that are either against the law, or considered unethical, or highly restricted to make a civilization and a better functioning society.

People have body autonomy. They just may not have some privileges that people who do get the vaccines. Just like I need vaccines to do things I want to do pre covid. I have the right not to get them, it will just limit me if I make that choice.
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Old 09-27-2021, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Woburn, MA / W. Hartford, CT
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The vaccinated pass this virus too
Viruses are apart of life. You can't restrict freedoms for something that is natural. You have no right NOT to get sick. You can always stay home. This virus had a 99 percent survival rate . Body autonomy must be preserved.
Nowhere near the degree that the unvaxxed do.
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Old 09-27-2021, 12:30 PM
 
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Sure you can. I can't take a dump in public, its against the law. Or do sexual acts outside in public, its against the law. There are tons of "natural" things that are either against the law, or considered unethical, or highly restricted to make a civilization and a better functioning society.

People have body autonomy. They just may not have some privileges that people who do get the vaccines. Just like I need vaccines to do things I want to do pre covid. I have the right not to get them, it will just limit me if I make that choice.
We don't pass viruses on purpose . We have no control over that . Society will be great with less police increasing crime when they quit . Society will have less nurses to take care of the sick defeating the purpose of making the hospitals run better.

When I ment natural I meant natural stuff we have no control over

We are looking at 20 percent less state troopers because they will quit.

I am not responsible for someone else's health. Neither is anyone responsible for my health.

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Old 09-27-2021, 12:35 PM
 
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Nowhere near the degree that the unvaxxed do.
Look at Israel's vaccination rate and the number of cases. The vaxxed pass it just as much I believe.
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Old 09-27-2021, 12:37 PM
 
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freedom is an ugly word in massachusetts and i believe it's banned.
+1.
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Old 09-27-2021, 12:37 PM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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We don't pass viruses on purpose . We have no control over that . Society will be great with less police increasing crime when they quit . Society will have less nurses to take care of the sick defeating the purpose of making the hospitals run better.

We are looking at 20 percent less state troopers because they will quit.
Ok, so now its about purpose, vs non purpose? If I want to reduce something I can't control, say being jettisoned from a car if I'm in a wreck, I can do something to help. Like wear a seat belt. If I want to reduce getting and passing along a virus that I can't control, I can get the vaccine. We can mandate seatbelt use. We're only encouraging vaccine use.

Fewer state troopers? Oh no.

Fewer low end nurses? Ok. The nurse practitioners and well educated nurses are getting their vaccines, just like they get their flu shots and other mandated vaccines.
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Old 09-27-2021, 12:38 PM
 
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There is no FREEDOM to get others sick and keep perpetuating a public health crisis. That's what the other "side" continuously fails to grasp. It ceases to be a matter of personal choice and personal freedom at that point.
A cold/flu can be deadly.
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