Coronavirus in Massachusetts (high crime, home, theater)

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

When would be a good time?

I've heard "way too premature" a lot over the last two years. "Way too premature" to let fans into sporting events. "Way too premature" to let little kids go to school without adults screaming at them to keep their faces covered. "Way too premature" to let a dying person's loved ones be in the same room as them.

Forgive me, but I think I've become conditioned to think anyone who utters the phrase "way too premature" has absolutely no clue what they're talking about, and we should do the exact opposite of what they say.

You mean like when they said "way too premature to shut the borders" in February of 2020???

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Fair enough, but you need to appreciate the fact that many had vastly different experiences than yourself and in cases would be under the same increased stressors regardless of how the government stepped up (and in some cases would have been made worse by laxer measures and the higher spread that would have resulted in).

I certainly do understand that, but as far as I'm concerned the response didn't step up and protect those whom should have been most protected and spent way too much time doing other things that made no sense. The absence of nonsensical measures does not imply lax measures, it means focused measures based on what was known very early about this virus and how respiratory viruses of this nature behave in general. Unfortunately, a culture of terror was propagated that made matters much worse for many people. That culture of nonsense and terror (should I say cult) continues to appear each day right on this board.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

I certainly do understand that, but as far as I'm concerned the response didn't step up and protect those whom should have been most protected and spent way too much time doing other things that made no sense. The absence of nonsensical measures does not imply lax measures, it means focused measures based on what was known very early about this virus and how virus's behave in general. Unfortunately, a culture of terror was propagated that made matters much worse for many people. That culture of nonsense and terror (should I say cult) continues to appear each day right on this board.

I obviously wasn't talking about "nonsensical" measures. That's a whole other topic.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by massnative71

You mean like when they said "way too premature to shut the borders" in February of 2020???

Yes, that's another example. People who don't understand the problem, or do understand the problem and have an interest in suppressing discussion/action around it, spewing BS about it being "way too premature" to solve the problem.

[bostongymjunkie]

No, the nonsensical is definitely part of this discussion. Sending people with symptoms home without treatment until they need ICU, not focusing attention on the most vulnerable, keeping young healthy people at home while sending older or unhealthy people out to do their jobs, masking outdoors, zero focus on improving personal health, lots of nonsense to go around.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

No, the nonsensical is definitely part of this discussion. Sending people with symptoms home without treatment until they need ICU, not focusing attention on the most vulnerable, keeping young healthy people at home, masking outdoors, lots of nonsense to go around.

Well you were responding to my post. And when I said "laxer measures", I don't recall mentioning any of those.

[bostongymjunkie]

Well the random and arbitrary extended restrictions are attributed to the collateral damage, which was the topic at hand. Lots of money made on this virus by lots of people and corporations. Lots of political capital gained as well. Follow the money and ask questions. Cui Bono?

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

Well the random and arbitrary extended restrictions are attributed to the collateral damage, which was the topic at hand. Lots of money made on this virus by lots of people and corporations. Follow the money and ask questions.

Then I would have been referring to effective measures that also have collateral damage (a very real thing). And those dilemmas are often a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario (while minimizing the overall damage); to the detriment of those who can only settle for a black and white/winner take all answer to everything. If the world was that simple, we wouldn't need leaders.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Then I would have been referring to effective measures that also have collateral damage (a very real thing). And those dilemmas are often a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario (while minimizing the overall damage); to the detriment of those who can only settle for a black and white/winner take all answer to everything. If the world was that simple, we wouldn't need leaders.

You're talking about yourself, right? We're the ones wondering about how a retrospective of costs and benefits might look. You're the one waving it off and saying it's "way too premature" for something like that.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

You're talking about yourself, right? We're the ones wondering about how a retrospective of costs and benefits might look. You're the one waving it off and saying it's "way too premature" for something like that.

Wrong.