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Old 01-21-2012, 11:50 PM
 
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Why does it even matter if Gingrich has been married several times and has cheated on his wife. That has nothing to do with how he will lead the country! Every person in this world has a past and everybody has done things that are shameful and that they regret. Cut Gingrich a break!
The only two reasons I can think of that might be relevant would be:

(a) it sort of makes him look weak when he starts preaching about the sanctity of marriage; and

(b) the affairs put him in a spot with the argument he used to make about "character matters."

However, he should be okay. Voters tend to have a very short memory and he can simply say, "Oh, I'm not going to do that stuff anymore."
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:50 PM
 
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Tom9, While I agree with you, we need to treat as imbeciles anyone who would let a candidates religion or lack thereof factor into a voting decision. When candidate X beats Y over religion, X has pimped the people who voted for him.
Oh certainly. I am with you 100%. My gripe here is someone using that false tactic to malign another with an outright lie. Politics is not religion so whoever is qualified to do the job, regardless of his/her religion, and as you say even the lack of a religion, is the person we need.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:52 PM
 
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"The Republican Party's stronghold is the south"

True, and McCain held the south. How many terms did he serve? see the GOP problem is the Southerners cannot count to 270. They cannot reconcile themselves to nominatng a man/woman acceptable in the swing states. Needing thos states hurts their itty bitty egos.
Yea, well McCain did poorly among independents. The GOP candidate can't win an election without the Solid South even WITH independent voters in their pocket. The south is just that important to the GOP.

That would be like a Dem losing New York and California and still expecting to win. It aint happening.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:53 PM
 
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Oh certainly. I am with you 100%. My gripe here is someone using that false tactic to malign another with an outright lie. Politics is not religion so whoever is qualified to do the job, regardless of his/her religion, and as you say even the lack of a religion, is the person we need.
A lot of people in the South (and, to a lesser extent, elsewhere around the country) feel very differently.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:54 PM
 
Location: NJ
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However, the South is NOT enough. The Dems know their base isn't enough, and actively court swing states. Dixie is too stuck up to do the same for the GOP. It seems they love candidates who cannot possibly do well in mainstream, swing states.

Then they whine when they lose national elections.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:54 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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"The Republican Party's stronghold is the south"

True, and McCain held the south. How many terms did he serve? see the GOP problem is the Southerners cannot count to 270. They cannot reconcile themselves to nominatng a man/woman acceptable in the swing states. Needing thos states hurts their itty bitty egos.
On the contrary, they DID nominate (at least So Carolina) elected an assortment of "acceptable" candidates incl Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr & McCain. McCain followed George Bush's disaster ,was a weak campaigner with poor judgment in his VP choice. that's why he lost.

Texas will be a "swing state" by 2016. Adios mofo republican party.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:55 PM
 
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This is strange. When did Republicans start calling each other out over bigotry of any kind?

Oh...yea, when the victim is a white Mormon. Gotcha. I lost my mind for a second there.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:56 PM
 
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Yea, well McCain did poorly among independents. The GOP candidate can't win an election without the Solid South even WITH independent voters in their pocket. The south is just that important to the GOP.

That would be like a Dem losing New York and California and still expecting to win. It aint happening.
Romney would win the South in the general election. He might have a problem in states that are not so solidly Republican but still have a large evangelical population, like North Carolina. The most recent polls show Obama leading Romney in North Carolina, but then Romney leading Obama in Virginia (probably because more voters there don't care as much about religion) ironically.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:57 PM
 
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McCain followed George Bush's disaster ,was a weak campaigner with poor judgment in his VP choice. that's why he lost.
Which is why I laugh at anyone who says this election will be an easy win for Obama. This isn't 2008.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:58 PM
 
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However, the South is NOT enough. The Dems know their base isn't enough, and actively court swing states. Dixie is too stuck up to do the same for the GOP. It seems they love candidates who cannot possibly do well in mainstream, swing states.

Then they whine when they lose national elections.
Such is the dilemma for the GOP. They made their bed with the Solid South and white religious Protestant Conservatives since the late 60's, and now they have to lay in it.

So although the south can't win the election for the GOP, the GOP can't win without the South. Strange, but that's the way it is.
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