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For the interested reader of this thread, who might not understand why God would harden hearts or make things difficult to understand - there is a purpose. And it's not to force people to stumble into some fabled endless torment.
No. The reason is this: God would do these things so we would be humbled. And so we would learn. The first shall be last, and the last shall be first.
It's part of learning righteousness; it's part of learning patience & humility, and it's part of learning what LOVE is.
He may have allowed satan to produce his counterfeits; however certain people in the body of Christ have contended for His translation (the kjv) as being inspired and inerrant and therefore the Lord is not left without a testimony.
In jbf's view it is foolishness that the gospel is good news for all people; he thinks that eternal torment reigns.
That doctrine does reign irrefutably as faithful doctrine in the holy scriptures (if a person does not reject the kjv because of having itching ears).
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Originally Posted by pcamps
Yes he does, foolishness to him means confirmation that it must be of God. It is foolishness to anyone who believes in eternal hell, that the cross is where Jesus Christ destroyed everything that accused man before God.
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
No, if something is foolishness it does not automatically mean that it is a doctrine of God.
However, the scriptures in question (1 Corinthians 1:18,21) do declare that if you think something to be foolishness, baloney, etc., that it may very well be because it is the preaching of the Cross which is foolishness, not to all, but to those who are perishing...while the "foolishness" of preaching is able to save those who believe.
So, if something is foolishness to you and it is also a scriptural doctrine, believing in it may in fact be salvation to your soul.
He may have allowed satan to produce his counterfeits; however certain people in the body of Christ have contended for His translation (the kjv) as being inspired and inerrant and therefore the Lord is not left without a testimony.
You miss the point. Set aside that the KJV has been shown to you to contain errors.
Why would God even 'allow' satan to produce 'counterfeits' as you call them? Under your own belief system, doesn't God want people to be saved? Why is He 'allowing' satan to make it much more difficult?
You miss the point. Set aside that the KJV has been shown to you to contain errors.
Why would God even 'allow' satan to produce 'counterfeits' as you call them? Under your own belief system, doesn't God want people to be saved? Why is He 'allowing' satan to make it much more difficult?
The kjv has never been shown to contain actual errors.
God allows counterfeits because He has said that the way to life is narrow and there are few who find it (Matthew 7:13-14).
He encourages us to seek the narrowest path that we can find and to walk down it...for there we will indeed find life everlasting.
He rationalizes what is irrational by using what he believes God COULD DO! He pays no attention to the ample evidence that WE have Dominion here by God's Sovereign Will and God did no such thing!!!
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Originally Posted by justbyfaith
Why wouldn't God preserve His unadulterated message to us if He is both willing and able to do so?
Don't you people believe that God is love?
If God is able to preserve the message of salvation to us;
But it is your contention that He didn't;
My question to you is, why didn't He?
Since the unadulterated message of the gospel is the message of salvation?
You don't think God wants people to be saved?
He doesn't love us, therefore?
Do you think God was just joking or kidding when He gave us Dominion over the earth and everything that happens here? What do you think Dominion means and why would God revoke it by interfering with us. Do you believe He was joking or kidding about giving us free will? Why do you believe our free will would continue after our death and removal from earth but you think God would revoke it while we are here and interfere with us??? Do you even try to reconcile the many contradictions in what you believe, brother???
Do you think God was just joking or kidding when He gave us Dominion over the earth and everything that happens here? What do you think Dominion means and why would God revoke it by interfering with us. Do you believe He was joking or kidding about giving us free will? Why do you believe our free will would continue after our death and removal from earth but you think God would revoke it while we are here and interfere with us??? Do you even try to reconcile the many contradictions in what you believe, brother???
God didn't revoke His own sovereignty when He gave us a degree of our own.
The kjv was produced as a translation with much prayer involved.
So God was not violating man's free will in answering the prayers of the translators in that they were relying on Him to give them words that would be accurate to His unadulterated message in their translation.
The kjv has never been shown to contain actual errors.
God allows counterfeits because He has said that the way to life is narrow and there are few who find it (Matthew 7:13-14).
He encourages us to seek the narrowest path that we can find and to walk down it...for there we will indeed find life everlasting.
There are MANY MANY errors in the KJV. All you need to do is look.
Here is one list I found doing a quick search. It doesn't even mention the errors of 'hell' and 'forever'.
One of the major errors of the KJV and other modern translations is using the word 'hell' in Mark 9 and Matthew. Jesus was referring to the Valley of Hinnom (Gehenna), which was a garbage dump where things were burnt up completely.
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