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Old 06-12-2021, 08:55 AM
 
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LOL, His grand design, that He didn't show us in scripture?

That's quite an imagination you have there, pneuma.
1tim. 4:10 tells you all about it Charlie and even commands you to teach it.

Funny how the ur group follow that command but you do not.

 
Old 06-13-2021, 12:07 PM
 
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"God has highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that in the name Jesus, every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things on earth, and in things under the earth; and that every tonque shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

NOTE

1. Every knee (the radical all).

2. Every tonque (the radical all).

3. Every dimension of heaven, earth & underworld. (the radical all).

4. In union with the Name of Jesus (en = in).

No being in any dimension of Fathers world will not worship Him.
 
Old 06-13-2021, 08:06 PM
 
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“Christ has abolished death, and has brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel.”II Tim. 1:10.

Christ did not bring eternal death and an endless hell to light. He revealed life and immortality for our race beyond the grave.

Temporal death is the last enemy man will ever encounter, and that is to be destroyed by the Lord Omnipotent.

“Christ died and rose again, that he might be the Lord both of the dead and the living.” Rom. 14:9.

“The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: he is Lord of all.” Acts 10:36.

Lord means owner: Jesus, is the owner of all mankind – the dead and the living.

Paul, writing of the glorious resurrection of all the dead, says: “But every one in his own order: Christ, the first fruits, and afterwards, those that are Christ’s at his coming” – (I Cor. 15:23) – he means that all the dead shall be raised in Christ’s possession.

Will one soul that belongs to Jesus Christ be forever lost?

Christ will destroy the devil.

“Forasmuch, then, as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he, also, himself (Christ), took part of the same, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death – that is, the devil.” Heb. 2:14.

Jesus will not only destroy the devil, but he will destroy all his works.

“For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” I John 3:8.

The reign of all evil is to cease.

The Prince of Peace is its conqueror.

False is the notion that sin and misery will continue forever!

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Old 06-14-2021, 07:46 AM
 
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The advent of Christ is good news to all people.

“Fear not,” said the angel who announced it, “for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.” Luke 2:10.

If any of mankind should not be saved by Jesus, could his coming be an occasion of great joy to them?

What reason would those have to rejoice at that event, who may be doomed by him to sin, blow the flames of hell, and live with devils forever? Would he not curse rather than bless them?

The angels, at the birth of our Redeemer, cried, “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.” Luke 2:14.

Jesus promotes the glory of God in the highest degree; He is the messenger of peace to all men. He is evidence of God’s good will to all our race.

How false is the dogma that robs God of much glory, makes Jesus a messenger of wrath to part of mankind, and says God has an evil will toward some of his creatures!

The Gospel is good news to all men.

“Go into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature.” Mark 16:15.

Gospel = “good news” & “glad tidings”. This is the Gospel – Jesus Christ will redeem the world from sin, error, pain, death, and the grave, and give unto all immortality and eternal life. This is good news to every creature.

Do those preach the Gospel who threaten their hearers with eternal sinning, eternal suffering, and eternal dying?
 
Old 06-15-2021, 12:29 PM
 
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No Scripture Continued

The New Testament presents Christ as a universal and complete Savior.

He is the true Light that lights every man that comes into the world – the Bread of God, that comes down from heaven to give light to the world – the Physician to heal the morally diseased – the Author and Finisher of faith, and the Captain of Salvation –Jesus, or Savior, who should save his people from their sins – the Deliverer who shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob – the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world – the Head of every man – the Head of the Church, which is his body, and the fullness of him that fills all in all – the Heir of all things – the faithful and true Witness – the prevailing Lion of the tribe of Judah – the Door and Shepherd of the sheep, who gave his life for the sheep – the Mediator and Testator of the better covenant.

The complete Savior of the whole world.

If Christ be the true light that lights every man that comes into the world, shall not every man be enlightened?

If the Bread of God gives life to the world, shall not the world have life?

If the morally sick are healed, shall they eternally remain diseased?

Shall not faith, in the now unbelieving be perfected under the Author and Finisher?

Will salvation be completed under the Captain who "shall not fail nor be discouraged?”

If he saves his people from their sins, shall they eternally remain unsaved?

If he turns away ungodliness from Jacob, and takes away the sin of the world, shall ungodliness and sin forever hold mankind in endless bondage?

Shall the body of Christ eternally remain incomplete, or diseased, or in bondage?

Shall the Heir of all things never possess his inheritance?

Does the faithful and true witness swear falsely when he declares, “and I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me?”

Shall the Lion of the tribe of Judah be defeated and never prevail?

Shall the sheep never enter the door opened for them, nor the Shepherd that died for them, lead them into the green pastures, and by the side of the still waters of God’s love?

Shall the Mediator never accomplish the object of his mission, or see the better covenant fulfilled, nor witness the conferring of the inheritance on those to whom it was bequeathed and attested by his death?

If he is the Savior of the world, shall not the world be saved?

Can he be the Savior of the world if a large portion of the world be eternally lost!

Endless misery = NO: At-one-ment = YES
 
Old 06-16-2021, 05:07 AM
 
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"Once a profound truth has been seen, it cannot be unseen. There's no going back to the person you were. Even if such a possibility did exist... why would you want to?" ~Dave Sim

Better felt than telt


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnqb7Vn4AEE
 
Old 06-16-2021, 10:57 AM
 
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All things were created for Christ – declares the Scriptures.

“All things were created by him and for him.” Col. 1:16.

If partialism is true, a portion of mankind was as surely made for the devil as for Jesus Christ, and in the winding up of human affairs, each party will receive its due – a more God-dishonoring notion, corruption never invented. Was it in view of this end that God in the beginning pronounced man good, VERY GOOD?

Was it in view of this end that “the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” Job 38:7.

The words of St. Paul seal this famous dogma with everlasting condemnation.

ALL THINGS were created FOR CHRIST.

Will any who belong to Jesus, sin and suffer forever?

Will they not all finally partake of the salvation promised in the Gospel?

A voice from the cross of Jesus and the throne of God assures us that they will.

All things are to be reconciled to God.

“And having made peace through the blood of the cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in heaven or things on earth.” Col. 1:20.

The phrase “all things” = all beings in all dimensions of heaven, earth, and underworld. The radical ALL!

The plain meaning of this passage is that it is God’s purpose to reconcile all mankind to himself, through the instrumentality of Jesus Christ, whom the Apostle elsewhere terms the Mediator between God and men.

Ultimate reconciliation is God's plan.

Jesus Christ is the agent of God to accomplish this great work.

“God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation.” 1 Cor. 5:19.

God works by means. By means of the sun he illumines and warms the atmosphere; by means of the rain, he cools and purifies the same, fertilizes the soil and fills our fountains with living water; so by means of Jesus Christ, he is saving the world.

It is God’s purpose to save all by Jesus Christ.

We are informed that God’s pleasure shall prosper in his hand. -Isa. 53.

He is the medium by which God confers spiritual blessings on ALL mankind.
 
Old 06-16-2021, 12:51 PM
 
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Jacques Ellul regarding Universal Salvation

(Universalism, Ultimate Reconciliation, Universal Reconciliation, Apocatastasis, The Larger Hope, The Greater Faith, The Doctrine of Inclusion, Restoration of All, The Victorious Gospel of Jesus Christ)

Am I a pessimist?

Not at all. I am convinced that the history of the human race, no matter how tragic, will ultimately lead to the Kingdom of God .

I am convinced that all the works of humankind will be reintegrated in the work of God, and that each of us, no matter how sinful, will ultimately be saved.

Salvation is universal because the love of God encompasses all.

If God is God and if God is love, nothing is outside the love of God.

A place like hell is thus inconceivable.

The difference between the Christian and the non-Christian is not one of salvation. Salvation is given by grace to everyone. Christians are simply those charged by God with a special mission. The meaning of being a Christian is not working at your own little salvation, but changing human history.

It is inconceivable that the God who gives Himself in His Son to save us, should have created some people ordained to evil and damnation. There can only be one predestination to salvation. In and through Jesus Christ all people are predestined to be saved.

Our free choice is ruled out in this regard.

God wants free people, except in relation to this last and definitive decision. We are not free to decide and choose to be damned."

"Being saved or lost does not depend on our own free decision. An explicit confession of Jesus Christ is not the condition for salvation.

Salvation is always for everyone, by grace. All people are included in the grace of God. A theology of grace implies universal salvation."

Every knee-every tongue-every dimension in union with the Name Jesus
 
Old 06-16-2021, 11:19 PM
 
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So, what do you think?

With God on our side like this, how can we lose?

If God didn’t hesitate to put everything on the line for us, embracing our condition and exposing himself to the worst by sending his own Son, is there anything else he wouldn’t gladly and freely do for us?

Who would dare tangle with God by messing with one of God’s chosen? Who would dare even to point a finger?

The One who died for us—who was raised to life for us!—is in the presence of God at this very moment sticking up for us.

Do you think anyone is going to be able to drive a wedge between us and Christ’s love for us?

There is no way!

I’m absolutely convinced that nothing—nothing living or dead, angelic or demonic, today or tomorrow, high or low, thinkable or unthinkable—absolutely nothing can get between us and God’s love because of the way that Jesus our Master has embraced us." ~MSG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju9As7b_brk
 
Old 06-17-2021, 07:11 AM
 
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So, what do you think?

With God on our side like this, how can we lose?

If God didn’t hesitate to put everything on the line for us, embracing our condition and exposing himself to the worst by sending his own Son, is there anything else he wouldn’t gladly and freely do for us?

Who would dare tangle with God by messing with one of God’s chosen? Who would dare even to point a finger?

The One who died for us—who was raised to life for us!—is in the presence of God at this very moment sticking up for us.

Do you think anyone is going to be able to drive a wedge between us and Christ’s love for us?

There is no way!

I’m absolutely convinced that nothing—nothing living or dead, angelic or demonic, today or tomorrow, high or low, thinkable or unthinkable—absolutely nothing can get between us and God’s love because of the way that Jesus our Master has embraced us." ~MSG


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju9As7b_brk
If you refuse Him, He will love you right on after He says, "depart from me, i never knew you."
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