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Imagine if you were getting on an airplane to go to Los Angeles but ended up in Chicago.
You asked the people in Chicago, how did I get here? My ticket was to go to Los Angeles?
What if they told you, what does it matter? You are here aren't you? But, you replied, I really wanted to go to Los Angeles! And they replied, we call Chicago Los Angeles too and Columbus Ohio we call Los Angeles. So what does it matter? You still go to Los Angeles.
No, but I wanted to go to Los Angeles, not Chicago or Columbus. So they give you a new ticket to Los Angeles and you end up in Columbus Ohio.
The bible, at least the King James Version is alot like the above. They called different places by one word "Hell."
They called "Sheol", "Hell."
They called "the grave" Hell.
They called "Gehenna" Hell.
They called "Hades" Hell.
They called "Tartarus" Hell.
Five very different places they named the KJV named the same.
No wonder some Christians can't understand what Hell is.
Interesting logic. You never answered my question. I am not arguing with you just trying to understand you.
The apostle St. Paul says in all things He shall have preeminence & that He has made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile the all things/ the ta pavnte unto Himself.
To Reconcile=
To cause to be friendly again.
To conciliate anew.
To restore to friendship.
To bring back to harmony.
To cause to be no longer at variance.
To bring to acquiescence and quiet submission.
To bring to agreement.
To bring into consonance and accord.
To make compatible.
To call back to fellowship.
To restore to fellowship.
To settle, harmonize and make compatible.
To bring together/ conciliate/ placate/ re-unite/ adjust.
You asked me What if I am wrong about Hell not being eternal?
If I am wrong, God cannot be relied on because He never used the word "eternal" with the word "Hell."
If I am wrong, God cannot be right because He said all judgments are during the eons, not beyond the eons.
I am sorry Eusebius but by those words, you are not a Christian. I never said, you are going to hell nor is the reason because you don't believe in hell/ eternal or that you're a universalist, all that is irrelevant because I believe universalist can be Christians but what has led you to this doctrine shows you are not a Christian
You asked me What if I am wrong about Hell not being eternal?
We are people of faith and the faith that God has given me shows me in the scriptures that God is agape love . Agape love teaches us to love our enemies, therefore God who knows all things, does not create people knowing with full knowledge that they will burn in an everlasting hell with no hope for salvation. The faith that God has given me tells me that God is not a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. God is just, righteous, holy, merciful, longsuffering, and overcomes evil with good. This faith teaches me that God has all power. No heart is too hard that it cannot be penetrated by the love and power of God. He made all hearts and knows how to reach each and everyone. He has all power. All were under the sentence of sin and death due to Adam and all will be made alive and retored through the last Adam. God Himself works all things according to the counsel of His own will. This faith tells me that evil will not exist forever in eternal hell because God will be all in all, and the power of sin will be annulled, made of no effect. All will be subdued to Him, subjected to Him. This faith tells me that Jesus is to fill all things, He ascended far above the heavens and descended into the lower parts of the earth to fill all things, therefore He will fill whatever is believed to be an everlasting hell. He will be right there. This faith tells me that there is a promise of deliverance for the creation, that God who subjected the creation to futility will deliver it, that all of the earth will worship Him. All flesh will see the salvation of God. God truly is the Savior of all men. No man or power can defeat the purpose of God. God bless.
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You asked me What if I am wrong about Hell not being eternal?
If I am wrong, God cannot be relied on because He never used the word "eternal" with the word "Hell."
If I am wrong, God cannot be right because He said all judgments are during the eons, not beyond the eons.
What fundy`s really asking is, what if man is right and God is wrong. What if there really is eternal torment ( because man tells us there is) and God didn`t tell us? What if God truly is going to send children to an eternal fiery pit to be tortured but he didn`t tell us. In other words, what if the church is right and God is wrong? What if man really is more powerful than God ( like the church implies) ,then what?
I am sorry Eusebius but by those words, you are not a Christian. I never said, you are going to hell nor is the reason because you don't believe in hell/ eternal or that you're a universalist, all that is irrelevant because I believe universalist can be Christians but what has led you to this doctrine shows you are not a Christian
We believe in God and we believe that He is trustworthy. We believe that He does not lie. Do you, Fundamentalist? Thanks and God bless.
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What fundy`s really asking is, what if man is right and God is wrong. What if there really is eternal torment ( because man tells us there is) and God didn`t tell us? What if God truly is going to send children to an eternal fiery pit to be tortured but he didn`t tell us. In other words, what if the church is right and God is wrong? What if man really is more powerful than God ( like the church implies) ,then what?
Amen. God bless.
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I am sorry Eusebius but by those words, you are not a Christian. I never said, you are going to hell nor is the reason because you don't believe in hell/ eternal or that you're a universalist, all that is irrelevant because I believe universalist can be Christians but what has led you to this doctrine shows you are not a Christian
Well, if it takes believing hell is eternal to be a "Christian" then I, happily, am not a "Christian."
If it takes believing the judgments go beyond the eons to be a "Christian" then I, happily am not a "Christian."
A "Christian" today is paganized with all sorts of unscriptural beliefs.
Well, if it takes believing hell is eternal to be a "Christian" then I, happily, am not a "Christian."
If it takes believing the judgments go beyond the eons to be a "Christian" then I, happily am not a "Christian."
A "Christian" today is paganized with all sorts of unscriptural beliefs.
I am a believer, not a "Christian."
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[SIZE=3]What beliefs other than the one that is repeated by you over and over again have been paganized (not my word yoursJ)?[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]What is the difference in eons or ages to your belief?[/SIZE]
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