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The 50s-70s were much cooler out west compared with the east and the west has been warmer 80s-10s. Long term pattern flip back to cooler west/ warmer east could have begun last winter.
Lol you have no idea what you are talking about. The 60's thru 70's and 80's were very cold in the East. Far colder than 2010's.
It's like the Chicken and the Egg game. Are the coastal Pacific waters warmer because of the ridges or are the waters warmer even without the ridges? Which came first? lol
The west coast most of the time has a flow from the warm Pacific but there is no East to West flow for the Atlantic coast.. Only when there's a HP or Cyclone off the East coast. So it's not like the waters are having an affect in the East. Only for immediate shorelines.
the waters off of California even southern California are the same temperature as ones off New York & New Jersey. That clear temperature difference in the Atlantic is the Gulf Stream; there the ocean came "first". Elsewhere kinda both? Pacific air and ocean helps keep each others' temperatures stable; if one drifts too far from the other, they transfer heat to each other and get closer together.
Lol you have no idea what you are talking about. The 60's thru 70's and 80's were very cold in the East. Far colder than 2010's.
50s-70s were a lot cooler here when compared with the 30s and 40s. I assumed the east was opposite during those periods. For example the 80s were very warm here while the east had many historic arctic blasts.
Lol you have no idea what you are talking about. The 60's thru 70's and 80's were very cold in the East. Far colder than 2010's.
I was not around in the 50's. But Tampa had many full grown coconut palms in the 50's and then the super freeze of Dec 1962 killed them all off with a low of 18. Coconuts will die with temps below 27 for 4+ hours.
50s-70s were a lot cooler here when compared with the 30s and 40s. I assumed the east was opposite during those periods. For example the 80s were very warm here while the east had many historic arctic blasts.
Yes as I said, when were your "all time" record low temps set? In many areas of the east, particularly SE, it is the 80's which were a killer decade. You have yet to have a decade like that in the West, and neither has Europe. I understand all time record low temps in Europe are also quite old compared to the eastern US. We got shafted in the 80's, and quite frankly it is some one else turn now. The brutal record cold blasts should leave us alone for another few decades.
Yes as I said, when were your "all time" record low temps set? In many areas of the east, particularly SE, it is the 80's which were a killer decade. You have yet to have a decade like that in the West, and neither has Europe. I understand all time record low temps in Europe are also quite old compared to the eastern US. We got shafted in the 80's, and quite frankly it is some one else turn now. The brutal record cold blasts should leave us alone for another few decades.
We had most of our super freezes in the 80's. 1981, 83, 85 and 89. Then BOOM it started warming up and has been much warmer ever since, minus the freak winter of 2010 when he had highs in the 50's for 3 months, but still did not get as cold as we did in the 80's. All time lows have been 18 in 1962 and 19 in 1983 in Tampa. Never come close to low 20's since 1985.
Yes as I said, when were your "all time" record low temps set? In many areas of the east, particularly SE, it is the 80's which were a killer decade. You have yet to have a decade like that in the West, and neither has Europe. I understand all time record low temps in Europe are also quite old compared to the eastern US. We got shafted in the 80's, and quite frankly it is some one else turn now. The brutal record cold blasts should leave us alone for another few decades.
January 1950 is the coldest month on record across the PNW. Average monthly temp of -6.3C in Vancouver!
In Vancouver, the all time record low was set twice....-17.8C on Jan 14, 1950 and again on Dec 29, 1968.
I think sea temperature has a big part to play in that. The Atlantic off the New Jersey coast has a January water temp in the 40°F range, while at the same latitude in Northern California, the Pacific has a sea surface temp in the low to mid 50's F
Atmospheric circulation is the biggest factor. Air masses generally flow from east to west, so California and the PNW get their air off the ocean, which makes temperatures very mild. In the same way, Western Europe receives air masses off the Atlantic, making it mild as far north as Norway. On the other hand, the eastern side of a continent will receive air flowing off the cold interior. Any east coast is therefore less moderate than any west coast. (For example, East Asia and the eastern US.)
At the same latitude an east coast will have hotter, more humid summers (and drier, colder winters) than a west coast.
A stuck ridge over the eastern US in winter is a much more rare event than a stuck ridge out west in winter. Topography is the reason plain and simple. The natural default position for ridges and troughs in winter in the US is ridge west (high elevation terrain) and trough east. That is clearly the typical pattern for every single January. Sometimes a ridge happens in the SE, or E, but it is not the default and not typical.
There is also a ridge that comes up from Mexico to shield TX and LA from cold. If that teams up with the SE ridge, then you have total shielding from the cold in the South.
There is also a ridge that comes up from Mexico to shield TX and LA from cold. If that teams up with the SE ridge, then you have total shielding from the cold in the South.
Even if warmer than normal conditions dominate, it's still pretty typical of La Nina to get a couple of good cold snaps here.
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