2014-15 Winter Thread (Northern Hemisphere) (warmest, moon, city, predictions)
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Philly had 59 days with a minimum temp of 25°F or colder compared to 46 last winter.
Burlington had 38 days below 0°F vs 17 days this past winter.
That winter was colder than this past...
Backfired? LOL
Don't worry, pattern might change, there's time but the odds are against. We'll see.
Spin it however you want, but imo, I'd take that winter over this past one easily. The coldest month was December with a mean of 29.4F. This past winter the coldest monthly mean was 28.3F in January.
The lowest temp reached that year was 9F twice. The lowest temp reached this past winter was 4F twice.
Ice days were 24 this past winter, and 23 that winter.
Number of days over 40F that winter were 45 days, and this past winter 43 days.
The number of days the daily max was 21F or below was 5 days this past winter and 0 in that winter.
The number of days the min temp was 10F or lower this past winter was 8 nights, and in that winter 2 nights (the two nights with 9F).
I've noticed on this board over and over how you are a master cherry picker of climate data to suit your extreme postitions on everything from chemtrails to the new ice age.
Again, this past winter was worse, despite your attempt to use overall means only due to a very warm December.
And one more little tid bit to destroy your premise.
Here are the monthly means from November thru April for each year.
1958-59:
Nov= 46.6, Dec=29.4, Jan = 31.5, Feb =33.2, March = 41.5, April = 54.8F
2013-14:
Nov = 45.5, Dec= 38.7, Jan=28.3, Feb=32.1, March= 38.9, April =53.8F
Lol, in 58-59 Nov, Jan, Feb, March and April were warmer than this past winter, yet you call it a colder winter. Yeah right.
Overall means from Nov to April:
58-59 = 40F
2013-14 = 40F
So no, the overall cold season mean (winter mean as you chose to ignore March) was not colder in 58-59, you just chose to cherry pick out the fact that this past March was much colder than the March of 59. And trust me, March of this year was a winter month here with a low of 12F and over 8" of snow. March of 59 had 4 days over 70F, while this past one had none.
Total winter snowfall 58-59= 5.1 inches, and total snowfall 2013-14 = 68 inches.
Give me a break. Anyone that loves mild or warm winters would choose 58-59 over this past rotten one.
Face it, you saw that a pretty good cold biased blogger for the first time has found an analog winter that matched all five of his parameters at this current time (all could change). And you are just a tad worried you are not going to get your dream frigid winter repeat of last year.
Raleigh got 13.5 inches of snow that winter, and the temperature fell to single digits 4 times. So it was a good winter for us.
I should have specified deeper South, particularly Gulf Coast. New Orleans only reached 29F. Mobile 23F. Pensacola 25F. This past winter they all went much colder. Atlanta reached 12F vs 7 this past winter. Norfolk, VA this past winter reached 6F, that winter 14F. Wilmington, NC reached 14F this past winter, and 16F that winter. New Orleans hit 24F this past winter, and went down to 29F the winter of 58-59.
I really doubt, that if this winter were exactly the same pattern as 58-59, that it would be as cold as that year in regards to lowest temp reached and overall means. Much more urbanization, along with the overall warmer arctic we have now than we had then.
Number of days dropped to 20F or colder 45 times vs 35 times last year
Even though there was less snow, it was colder. Looks like we agree on wanting a colder winter than last year. Cool.
Love how you typically ignored everything else I posted.
Number of days lower than 15F, 58-59=15, 2013-14=16, so there.
For overall depth of cold temps, 58-59 was warmer, I don't care how you spin it. What winter had the day with the coldest high temp? Which one? Which winter had the night with the coldest lowest temp? Which one?
Which winter had 4 out of 5 months with a warmer monthly mean temp?
Yeah, that whole winter rests pretty much solely on the very cold December. After that, it was all uphill from there. And 5" of snow, lol. That is pathetic.
Number of days dropped to 20F or colder 45 times vs 35 times last year
Even though there was less snow, it was colder. Looks like we agree on wanting a colder winter than last year. Cool.
Yeah, a winter with two nights down to 4F, and a day with a high temp of 13F was so much warmer than a winter that had two nights at 9F, and the lowest max temp of 22F. A year where 5 out of the 6 cold season months were warmer, in your mind is somehow colder.
This is how you spin. You refuse to look outside of Dec to Feb, cause that suits your agenda. But when you look at the 6 coldest months of the year, Nov to April, 58-59 was warmer, and you know it. Winter patterns don't abruptly end Feb 28th. If the shoe was on the other foot, and you needed to include Nov and March, you most certainly would cause you are the master of spin and ice age claptrap.
Here's the 500mb Anomalies compared to last winter.. Notice last winter(on right) the core of below normal heights was NW of us as opposed to the year you prefer was North of us... That setup was a dry type setup (less snow) but a colder one because of the more direct northerly flow as opposed to a moderating one
And here are the surface temps anomaly.. Notice 2 things... 1. The Atlantic ridge keeping East of us warmer last year vs that year. #2. Last year was more North to South vs a horseshoe type in 58-59. But you can see how Philly northward had a colder winter that year. But was less cold for many from Central US to South
I am liking the matchups with that winter compared to what we have now... but I still haven't dug deeper. The sun was active that winter it's not now so there's 1 mis match.
We came from an El Nino Winter and Spring in 58, we didn't this year so there's another mis match
Here's the current Jet Stream Upper Level Flow (August 23, 2014). I'm showing this in the winter thread now because I want to relate to it what it would mean in the winter if this type of setup happened.
1. Upper Level Low, Trough, and Jet Stream Dip in the West.
2. Ridge peaked to Great Lakes
3. Little trough in New England/Atlantic Ocean
If this happened during the winter either....
1. White Line. Clippers would come down from Canada, stay over the ridge and drop down into the Northeast. If cold enough means snow.
2. Red Line. Pacific storms would enter the West coast, ride the jet stream, they never cut into a Ridge so they would ride it all the way up and then drop down into the northeast. If cold enough means snow.
3. Yellow Line. Subtropical Jet meets with the polar Jet (Red) and blows a storm up over the upper Mid West. Blizzards for the area.
This setup would NOT allow coastal blizzards in the East but would allow many clippers to drop down. Not a bad setup to want if you like snow
However... I don't like how the warmth would be that close West of here which means warm air would flow east and moderate any cool air. East would see Ssasonable temps a lot with this setup. Not a direct NW flow. New England would benefit more from cold and snow.
Always depressing to see winter threads in August... Couldn't have this thread waited till at least mid or late November?...
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